A good list!

I would imagine quite a few if not most of them are present in one way or another. I may be mistaken, but isn't the start of BW only a few (3?) hundred years after the end of G1? If so that's nothing compared to a normal Transformer lifespan.

 

Yeah, the timeline really is confusing. Especially since Primal and Megatron are referred to as the "descendants" of Optimus and Galvatron, implying that several generations have passed. In reality, Optimus is probably Primal's uncle or something.

 

yes, 300 years after the end of the Great War we saw in G1.......But when did that war end?

Open your mind a bit the end of the G1 cartoon is not necessarily the end of the G one war

The G1 war was over 9 million years old when the autobots/decepticons awoke in 1984, but did they ever give us a hard marker for when that war ended?

I’ve had this discussion plenty of times with people here and a lot of people seem to think that Some statements made in beast wars are pretty clear about when the war ended but all I find are vague mentions of years that leave the answer unknown

for all we know the war lasted an other 1000 years

 

As @Primeultra said, the Beast Wars characters came from a moment in time 300 years after the end of the Autobot-Decepticon war. But we don't know when the war ended. The cartoon never saw this war end, while Marvel gave us different endings: an end of hostilities between the factions in issue #80, and an end to the war sometime in the future told in a short piece of fiction at the end of the UK run. And then there's Generation 2.

However, neither is valid because Beast Wars is the continuation of a G1 that we never saw: it's not Sunbow and it's not Marvel, but some sort of amalgation of both. (Actually, the only G1 story that fits best with BW due to it being written afterwards, is Dreamwave.)

We simply don't know when the Autobot-Decepticon war referred to in Beast Wars, came to an end. So there's no telling how many Transformers could've survived. Maybe the list I summed up is all there was, while the rest died.

Alternators and Alternity have already been mentioned, and those are the only two Transformers lines that have a dedicated altmode scale.

Masterpiece is focused on robot mode scale, but it's not absolute since Ironhide/Ratchet and Ultra Magnus are too big compared to others.) A big question is of course: how big should these be in real life? Without knowing that and I don't think there has ever been a consistent statement on this, it's impossible to determine their robotmode scale. An exception is Beast Wars, because we've seen them in altmode compared to existing beasts (Cheetor's Cheetah altmode and Primal's Gorilla altmode are 1:1 scale with the actual animals) and thus we can determine the robotmode sizes.

The Masterpiece altmodes are all in different scales but they try to make them look okay next to each other. But for example the MP-3/11 seekers are 1:60, while the new Starscream is a bit shorter. Several of the MP cars are in the 1:28-30 range (Datsuns, Lamborghini's, Lancia), while others are bigger and more 1:25-27 (Vanettes and the jeep) or smaller closer to 1:35 (Corvette, Fuso's) or even smaller (MP-21 Beetle). And then there are Megatron and Soundwave with his cassettes that are closer to 1:1.


The current wfc line is also aiming for a more uniform robot scale, but I've seen it argued that voyagers/leaders are just slightly too small compared to deluxes (and I agree with this).. But again, no unifying altmode scale.

Scale...is a joke in Transformers.

 

I don't think the issue is necessarily when the war ended, it's that 300 years between wars isn't really that much of a long time span to act like the war ended so long ago. 300 years to beings that can live for thousands if not millions of years is like last year to us.

Plus, I'd say the Great War officially ended in either 2005 (according to the 86 movie) or 2006 when the new Golden Age of Cybertron started according to the Rebirth.

 

How can people be so sure that Beast Wars takes place after G1 cartoon?

 

well I would say that is a matter of Personal definitions since there are many people who think our “great war” was long ago.....And yes I do know some people that refer to World War II as happening a long time ago

But that really wasn’t the point, I believe the post I was referring to was making more of an issue of characters like primal and Megatron referring to their G1 counterparts as ancestors when they were still alive 300 years ago

and my point is since we don’t know when the G1 war ended we can’t say if their counterparts were still alive at the end of the war......For example if we use Japanese G1 as a backdrop Optimus died again in 2010.

And if the war lasted an other 3000 (or more) years after that then the Reference of ancestors doesn’t seem that other place

Another thing to consider is that the word ancestor has a bit of a different “application” when you’re talking about robots.Remember the big upgrade/downsize , It could be considered an “evolution” of sorts, And if you look at it from an evolutionarily point of view it changes everything

Because it makes the tine frame of 300 years Irrelevant when it comes to the use of the word ancestor, because either way the autobots and decepticons would be ancestors technologically wise

which Optimus Prime contradicts in 5 faces of darkness

Besides the declaration of the end of a war by only one side of the two warring factions doesn’t really bring a war to an end

Rebirth took place more like 2007 0r 2008 if we follow the president of the seasons that came before (Not counting what seems obvious mistakes of course)

Besides, even with the new Golden age of one planet wouldn’t have singled the end of the war, as the ending dialogs of Optimus Galvatron and Zarek indicated......The war continued, We just don’t know for how long

Are you referring to the G1 cartoon continuity in specific or any G1 continuity in general?

 

G1 cartoon continuity.

 

Ok I’m sure you know most fans stick to the idea that Beast Wars was a direct continuation to the G1 cartoon continuity like it’s gospel

The show’s creators chose to take influence from both the cartoon and the original comics so as to be inclusive of fans from both continuities .....so from my perspective the creators are “the word of god” so to speak

And with the taking of influence from both they ended up creating a new G1 continuity that has elements of both the comics snd cartoon but is neither specifically

 

By ignoring or handwaving away everything that contradicts it.

Because while there are many things taken from the G1 cartoon that contradict the comics, there are likewise elements from the Marvel comics that don't fit with the cartoon.

Whether it be Word of God, or in-universe, Beast Wars has elements that makes it impossible to be a continuation of either just the cartoon or comic continuity. It really cannot be either without issues. Only explanation is that it's a new timeline.

 

Probably because Starscream's ghost appears in Beast Wars. At the time, Starscream had only previously been a ghost in the G1 cartoon continuity, so it's safe to assume that Beast Wars is probably supposed to be in continuity with the G1 cartoon.

 

Safe to assume.....That’s hilarious

putting a twist on that example:
When the Autobot ship was called the Ark in beast wars. At the time, the Autobot ship had previously been best known for being called the Ark in the G1 comic continuity and never the cartoon , so it's safe to assume that Beast Wars is probably supposed to be in continuity with the G1 comic lol

just having some fun there

Ironically speaking when Starscream's ghost appears in Beast Wars he appears in his a color scheme more matching his comic book appearance



It’s never save to assume anything

 

Beast Wars contradicts G1 no more than G1 already did itself, so using that as evidence doesn't really hold up.


Having said that, I don't think it really matters one way or another if it's own continuity or is in the Sunbow, JP, or Marvel timelines, doesn't change the quality of it or any of the previous entries.

 

Way to let everyone know where your goat’s tied up!

 

Actually it does, particularly when you factor in that the creators of Beast wars never intended to make their show a direct continuation of the G1 cartoon.....they wanted to appeal to fans of both and not only the cartoon so the deliberately did not set out to make a direct sequel to either

besides, I feel Beast Wars certainly contradicts the g1 cartoon far far more then the g1 cartoon ever did itself

Very true

 

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