There's not going to be a tragedy like Kingdom Primal, Paramount will at least get VAs who know what they're doing.

 

Yeah, that had me thinking, how did they pick that guy, and how much are they paying him? And did any of them ever watch the original Beast Wars?

 

Yeah, unlike recent animated productions, the Transformers movies have always delivered in the voice acting department.

Even if it's not Chalk it will be a competent professional doing the role.

 

I want to hear Prime (Cullen) talking to Primal (Chalk) in live action! And I want to see and hear Ironhide (Cullen) fighting with Rhinox (Richard Newman) to a stalemate, then being seperated by Bumblebee and Cheetor.

 

It’s wild that in four years, we’ve gone from The Last Knight to G1 Optimus Prime having philosophical conversations with Optimus Primal.

 

Trukk and Munkk uniting as one Primal Prime to unify the fandom.

It fails horrifically and actual war breaks out between G1 and BW fans. The casualties are incalculable. All the remains is Animated because even the animated fans forgot about it and left it alone

 

0% interest in this film. Nothing about it sounds even remotely interesting, and the re-appropriation of well-known characters and factions just feels contrived...and this is coming from someone who was open-minded about new, fresh takes in these films. Domestically, Transformers has been dropping in sales since the 2nd film, and I suspect this will continue until there\'s an official reboot and/or a \"return to form\", i.e. a more classic take w/a new vision and cohesive story/universe.

Also, this franchise needs more investment in developing the robot characters and not making their actions dependent upon the humans to save them. Transformers has survived for decades as a franchise because people love the bots and their struggles, not the humans.

In the meantime, hard pass. 

GrungeWerX

 

While I'm interested to see what they do with this film, I will agree with you that people get interested in the bots and want to see them as the main characters. While Bumblebee did much better at that than the Bay films did, there's always this push to be human centric in media that screams somebody in the creative management teams doesn't understand that the bots ARE human in character depth. If they aren't, what's the point?

 

Yes please.

 

I sincerely hope Paramount has contacted Gary and the old BW cast to reprise their old roles for this film. Don’t make the same mistake Kingdom is doing.

 

Agreed with all that we absolutely need the OG BW voice cast back. Having Peter Cullen and Gary Chalk have a philosophical discussion about leadership and living among humans would be the most epic thing ever.

 

i have 2 predictions about the toyline:

1. we'll see 1 or more ss86 hotrod style voyagers, bumblebee is a likely candidate seeing how much he sells and might make sense depending on how larger wheels and the windshield cage
2. i could be misremembering but i think i remember it being said some of the ss line would tie into a new gimmick line and i think it's that the beast wars characters will feature organic bodies but have an exoskeleton gimmick, maybe swappable parts or something.

 

My only other G1 special requests are Cybertron as Primus and Unicron not as Earth, Orion Pax upgraded to Prime, and Wheeljack makes the Dinobots. And give me some Vector Sigma and/or as much of that stuff that wasn't made better in another property. I don't accept that just because a brand drifted along making mistakes to survive property-to-property that confuse the identity of their characters should get an automatic pass or used as a model to be followed for an organized future of the brand. But, that chaos has created some cool stuff, and each property has brought its fans into the TF fandom at large and that's awesome. Even Michael Bay gets credit for raising the profile of the brand to where it is now. I just want to see them patiently invest in something good that honors as much of the past as makes sense. The DCEU rushed to get the JL together and the whole pile of shit reeks, but at least forming the league was supposed to happen per nearly all versions of JL comics (plus minus the Cyborg/Martian Manhunter roster change). This movie feels just like they worked backwards from a poster with Prime and Primal back-to-back.

 

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They are not suppose to be family movies and they never were.

Don't know if this is sarcasm or not, but this quote works for me!  

I did not like him being a bug and every single person I have spoken to about that film who has seen it or hasn't, outside of these forums don't like him being a beetle. "Why was he a beetle?!" "I thought he was a Camaro?" or my favorite "I don't like that that VW-crap!". The general domestic public doesn't care for Bumblebee movie, only some of the fans new and old did.

There is definitely room for everyone in this new movie and I think that is cool of them to at least consider this going into things.

Characters change all the time. Sometimes Optimus has to kill a human.

It certainly helped GM but for the fifth film, the company seemed to no longer want to be as involved or involved at all. That's also just business and marketing changes, budget changes. etc. Don't forget that the VW group owns Bugatti...

 

What an odd, mildly concerning correlation to draw.

As a self-professed Bayformers fan myself, does anyone else find it kind of odd how ready Bayformers fans are with preemptive justification of the movies terrible writing, terrible morals, and terrible characters?

Also, no, Optimus never has to kill a human, let alone swear bloody vengeance upon them as his psychotic troops cheer him on. I used to make justifications for the Bay movies when I was younger, but then I realized there's no moral message or meaning behind the fucked up shit that happens in them.

That's some sweet anecdotal evidence that doesn't really account for the fact that just as many (if not more) people said the same when Bee was first a Camaro and not a beetle. If you find the preference of Camaro over beetle valid, then so too would the beetle over Camaro opinion be valid.

Also the general domestic public did like Bumblebee. It succeeded despite being thrown out to die in December with a fraction of the marketing push of its contemporaries, and critical reception to it was higher than any Bay movie. Everyone I've talked to has said they much prefer beetle Bee, even non-fans who only know of Transformers from the Bay films. I've even heard people remark that "why wouldn't he be a bug if his name is Bumblebee?" oblivious to the fact that he originally was one in G1. It just made sense given his name, character, and design.

 

I'm a big Bayformers fan and I'm not really behind a loose, cavalier justification that sometimes Optimus just has to kill a human.

Now that said, considering how hell-bent Prime was on revenge throughout most of AOE, and how he eventually comes around on saving humanity (or at least his human allies), I did find it interesting that Optimus killing Attinger was a heat of the moment decision made for the express purpose of saving another human.

Now, the movies usually aren't subtle enough to dig into any possible deeper meaning there, but as someone who hates how DCEU Superman, for example, was handled, Optimus killing Attinger in that context never bothered me (of course, that's entirely separate from movie Prime's long history of brutal Decepticon killing, but we'll leave that alone for now).

 

It annoys me how much people try to justify this angle when the Transformers franchise, by purpose of its existence since 1984, pretty much requires something as widely consumed as movies to be family friendly.

Because children.

At the end of the day, no matter how freaking hard Goldner tries to make Hasbro into his own little Disney style IP house (and has largely failed), the movies exist purely to advertise the toyline. Every single form of media largely exists to be supplementary to the toylines. Cartoons, comics, etc. Sure they by themselves generate money, but in terms of the scale of economics, the toyline is the only thing that makes Hasbro the most money. Paramount also has a vested stake in the toyline in so far as the movie tie-in stuff is concerned because they get a cut of the action.

Children obviously can not drive themselves to the theatres or, I guess more accurately in current times, be trusted to make digital purchases on streaming services, so adults have to be involved. And parents probably will watch these things with their children, thus the fact the films need to be family movies.

And how many people in that weirdly specific query size is that? A few people from your neighborhood? You can not make a blanket statement that 'the general domestic public doesn't care for Bumblebee' based on a sample size smaller than the graduating class from The Ohio State University. This is actually the kind of misrepresentative strategy some people use to try and push something that isn't necessarily true, by just taking a small poll and then exponentially scaling up the result numbers.

Hell, back in 2008 this was the kind of thing going on when people were not able to agree on how well the Animated toyline was doing because in some places the toys were flying off shelves and in other places not so much.

...why? Name one other time that Optimus has ever had to kill a human in the entirety of this franchise.