It's the eternal cycle. Animated, Prime, RiD, Cyberverse....hell Beast Wars still gets shit from certain pockets of the fandom. It's the same with the toys. Look at how all of the complaints about the new designs in Generations turned in to obsessive nitpicking over fist colors and shoulder height once WfC started the ball rolling toward screen accuracy.

 

I never intended to take Animated seriously at first. I didn't pay too much attention to Beast Wars either. But the writers cared about the characters and their stories, and it showed. And I ended up doing the same.
When the Bayverse movies came out I honestly thought certain critical scenes had to be cut due to time constraints, and that there would hopefully be extended editions that filled in the missing pieces snd told the full story in a way that made things more coherent (yeah, I was naive and i got spoiled by LOTR).

I gave the Bayverse a lot of chances. It wasn't quite what I hoped for, but it had the potential to become something great. But the guys in charge had their own ideas.

I'm a fan of G1, but I don't care much for the Bayverse simply because the makers didn't care too much, either.

Bumblebee was the chance for a fresh start and an opportunity to do things right this time. I hope Paramount and Hasbro grab that chance, that opportunity and run with it (that don't mean they rush the stories, though)

 

Looked up the director, he\'s basically a no-name, which has me a bit worried. I hope it\'s good. We\'ll see.

 

True, the biggest thing he's done was Creed 2 which was/is very well received so hopefully things turn out alright for the film. The film definitely sounds stuffed a bit but we'll see. It could just be the way they described things and the plot of the film is actually a lot simpler/works better than it sounds.

 

He directed Creed II, which was well-received. That's certainly not nothing. It shows he's capable of taking on a high profile franchise and keeping the ship steady.

 

so was Travis knight. Bumblebee was his first and currently only live action film. Half of marvels movies are coming from directors with very small filmographies. Would you rather have a director that you can’t predict and bring some creativity to it or a director that has their own filmography page on Wikipedia and you know only Doing it for a paycheck and just doesn’t care anymore because it’s just one more film and they’ll move on to the next after it’s wrapped?

 

I love that they're doing nightbird as a gtr and look forward to getting an mpm for it. At the same it's like they're taking a page out of the fnf series by using a gtr...Also does look like they're trying to pack a lot of things into this movie... Sigh.

 

I'm thinking it's about Optimus learning to appreciate Earth from the Maximals, in this case, the original guardians of Earth. They'll probably nobly sacrifice themselves (which obviously sucks,(maybe they thought Fall of the Beasts was too much of a spoiler)) and inspire him to become the new chief protector of Earth.

 

It's a double-edged sword. Marvel has taken relatively low profile directors and elevated them with projects, but that's because outside of some guiderails in terms of continuity they've more or less let the directors make the movie they want. There's no better example than the three Thor films, which each had a different director and likewise dramatically different tones. Taika Waititi wasn't "nobody" when he made Ragnarok. But Ragnarok was absolutely the movie he wanted to make. Chloe Zhao's Eternals absolutely looks like the same situation. She made the movie SHE wanted to make.

The mistake DC made early on was putting Snyder in charge of the DCEU and then demanding the films conform to his vision. So any director they brought on was just a body to hand the movie to. Compared to where they're finding success now by letting various directors just make the movies they want and getting stuff like Wonder Woman, Shazam, Birds of Prey and (for better or worse) Joker.

That's where Hasbro's creative control is important. From the sound of it, Bay more or less made the movie he wanted and outside of a few key bots the rest were just Hasbro deciding which trademarks they wanted to slap on the rest. But with Bumblebee, I get the impression their creative control extended beyond that and they actually got a voice in the story. So where Bay was able to make a bunch of big dumb action movies that brought in billions, the hope is this next round of films will be able to balance that success but also draw in younger crowds and help reignite interest in the brands (especially BW).

 

yeah you’re just writing your own film there and ruining your own expectations

 

What?

Hasbro isn't going to go to the trouble of introducing half (if not more) of the core BW Maximals and then wipe them out. This is absolutely a backdoor pilot to a standalone series of BW films (or perhaps a series) should the movie find success. Can't do that if they're all dead.

Something worth considering, the studio behind these is Paramount...who has their standalone streaming service up and running. I wouldn't be shocked if the long term goal is to use this movie to ignite interest in a Paramount+ BW revival of some kind. Streaming services have found some success with nostalgia-tinted reboots/revivals (Paramount+ just relaunched iCarly)

 

this is why I say that people ruin the movies for themselves more then what’s in the movies. They’ve already decided they’re not going to like it or they’ve created their own film in their heads and don’t like it.

 

Try to make a TLK logo with ROTB theme

 

Yeah, they completely overshot that one. Nothing from Caple's mouth sounded like he was saying this was a prequel to the Bayverse. He wasn't really talking about continuity at all there.

 

I don't know I went pretty 360 within the last week. When I first heard about the announcement of the movie details I was really worried. Over time though, after hearing the director talk in interviews and talking to some of the members of this forum, my fear soon began to turn back to excitement.

 

and that’s totally fine and I’m happy for ya but let’s not pretend that when a movie, comic, toy show or whatever comes out there’s plenty of “I expected it be trash and it was. No surprise” that’s who I’m talking about

 

They should have used the optimus primal that was a bat.

 

Oh totally, there is going to be people like that., but I think minds will be changed just as often if not more once the movie is released.

 

Agreed. On the topic of continuity, would it even be beneficial to keep this in the Bayverse from an audience standpoint? It's already been four years since TLK (five by next year). They've already got two additional films in development. By the time they got around to making a sequel to TLK, will audiences even care? And if they're just going to continue to make prequels, why bother constraining themselves when a reboot would allow for so much more freedom. It'd be the equivalent of Sony deciding to commit to keeping their new movies in the Amazing Spider-Man film universe.

 

Oh, I didn't say I wanted the Beasts wiped out. But it's when they describe them as being apparently 'ancient', I'm trying to figure out what sort of approach Paramount might take (and those guys love killing off characters with untapped potential, even before they become characters ). If they're trying to treat it as a sneaky Bayverse prequel (which I really hope isn't the case) they've got to explain the absence of the Beasts later on. I can't see Primal and gang sitting things out when the apocalypse went down .

In any case I'm thinking that Primal is being depicted as a mentor and guide of sorts to Prime. And his story may end up homaging his fate in Beast Machines. (did I mention Paramount have a habit of cramming even the kitchen sink into these movies? And all that talk about this movie having lots of emotion, I'm thinking they're aiming for tears ).

For me, the key issue is Paramount and how they've treated the franchise so far. Their logic is not necessarily everyone else's logic as they've proven time and time again.

This is i just speculation on my part, in any case.