This movie is starting to sound ok when I look at it from the perspective of the maximal and predacons being side characters being hunted by scourge and the rest is focused on Optimus’s character and stopping him. If they are building up the decepticons as actual threats by omitting them for now that’s a neat idea. There is a chance of it being pretty decent. Issue is that stupid producer who keeps hamfisting the Bayverse connections.

 

Yep that simple synopsis of Terrorcons coming to Earth to eradicate the Maximals and Predacons, forcing Optimus and the Bots to come out of hiding and put a stop to said Terrorcons, would really help to explain this film's ideas better than they did.

Hell you can easily see Optimus Prime's inner conflict being about him always fleeing away from the enemy, and how he can't keep running away and needs to make a stand. Boom, you got your emotional crux laid out, super simple.

The info-dump from yesterday was rather vague with story details and from a first impression it looks as if it was "Autobots/Maximals vs Predacons vs Terrorcons vs Decepticons?" and thus it's not hard to see how people are worried that this film will be yet another massively bloated mess of a film (could still very well be).

The more I've considered it, I'm pretty sure the plot is literally just: Autobots team up with Maximals and Predacons, to defeat the Terrorcons. The End.

 

That's what I assumed to be the case the instant I read the description.

 

I strongly doubt everyone. A part of the community didn't like them bcs they were basically G1 in real life with barely any improvements. And this everyone is something funny when this movie wasn't watched by half the people who watched the other movies. So you are not considering a lot of people there. Really, Bumblebee movie was basically watched by fans. In my life I know no one who watched or knows that movie exists, prob bcs of Tlk ofc. But you are talking basically about die hard fans like us. I liked the designs at first until I saw how little unique and simple they were.

Yes, nostalgia.

What you said made no sense. They are popular because they hit it, not the opposite. It wouldn't even make sense

With all the respect idc enough to geewunners. Since when I know Transformers designs, story and characters were totally different in every continuity. Geewunners are basically saying the designs should be the same of G1 while I'm like, well from BW until UT, no, until 07 movie, they were totally different and with one hand I could count who looked like the G1 counterpart. Only in Animated and Aligned they had traces of G1 but they still had a lot to be new, what I like. Why do they have to look G1 now? Tfp is one of most loved continuities and only 5 or 4 characters look their G1 version. I'm just saying people should give more freedom to the producers and stop complaining when the movie doesn't look like G1.

 

Eh, I'd say it's better not to have them. Encouraging people to maybe post a short-hand version of what they said before getting into the long version? That I'd say is a good thing to do.

 

Ummm that was a joke

 

Oh. Sorry about that, I'm so used to people genuinely complaining about how long my posts tend to be I just kind of assumed. My bad.

 

You’re fine, I’m actually opposed to character limits in most instances if they prevent from making a meaningful post online.

 

Conniving implies that we think it's malice, when it's more we think it's a case of "never attribute to malice what you can to incompetence".

 

While you are entitled to your opinion, I fail to see how they were just "G1 in real life with barely any improvements". I mean okay they use the basic G1 looks for characters but when one really looks at the two side-by-side, it's clear that Travis Knight and the design team didn't just throw on the screen boxy 80s robots with no changes. They altered proportions, gave them details to help them blend into this more detailed world and more. The thing about the designs is that they are a marriage of the Bayformer and G1 aesthetic which made something that was far more streamlined but still detailed and different enough to separate this movie from the Bayverse and the G1 of old.

I agree in general that Transformers fans should stop complaining about designs that don't look G1. I'm someone from the UT era and I loved when Transformers were allowed to get more unique with their designs. That being said, not only do I feel like the designs of these newer movies are not just G1 rehashed, I think it's understandable why they're doing it. For a lot of people, G1 IS how the characters looked. When people think Transformers, they're thinking the G1 designs most likely because those things are simple and iconic. You show someone a picture of G1 Prime and they will be able to say his name and I think the filmmakers realized in order to get back into the good graces of people for now, it would probably be best for them to utilize designs that people know with tweaks to ensure that they do and it was a success. I think the only reason people are starting to turn sour on them is genuinely not the fault of the filmmakers but Hasbro because we didn't realize that with Bumblebee would come an injection of straight 1984 into our eyeballs by the SEVERAL G1 releases made since that film's release.

 

I like the way you think! We don't really have an idea of how the movie will turn out. Let's just stay optimistic but keep our expectations low.

 

This, just this. I don't think there's anybody here who thinks that Lorenzo is just some mustache-twirling supervillain who's giggling with glee about a plan he has to overwrite the Transformers film series to reconnect it back to the Bayverse, they're just mocking and rolling their eyes at how the man just has never let go of the Bayverse, how he keeps trying desperately to basically make a headcanon that no one is interested in almost like he lives in his own world where everyone actually loves the Bayverse and wants everything to be connected instead of reality where it's clear general audiences and a great deal of Transformers fans are done with it and want so desperately to move on.

 

I'm looking forward to this, and I say that without expectation.

I'm going to watch the trailers as they pop up, but I think I'll actually steer clear of all the news, leaks, discussion and speculation. I don't feel any compulsion or need to be up to date with it all.

Beast Wars has made it to the big screen. It will be different from the Beast Wars I know, and that's fine. I look forward to sitting down with a bag of peanut M&Ms in a year's time and watching it unfold.

 

He will not admit this movie is part of a rebooted continuity. To him, this is basically the second prequel to the original 2007 film.

You joined back in March. We've been tracking Lorenzo de Douchecanoe's actions since day one back in 2007 (even I can't vouch that far given I joined in late '08). You learn to read between the lines and decypher jargon speak for what's really going on. More often than not there is always an agenda at play, everybody has their angle in this line of work. Believing words at face value with no prior reason for doing so is a naïve mistake.

First, spelling.

Second, holy crap you do not understand what you are saying if you think people found Mandarin acceptable in the MCU, at least as far as IM3 was concerned, that the MCU had to trot out the real Mandarin well after the fact and have him be actually closer to the source material.

And boo fuckin' hoo to the people who don't like it, because there always will be a group that doesn't like something. You can't please everybody. And "basically G1 in real life with barely any improvements"? Are you getting pissy over the designs being simplified so they actually look like what people know the brand to look like, which is robots that have disguise parts forming their body?

Go fucking transform Energon Mirage (or the repaint Dreadwing) and I fucking DARE you to come back and tell me that just because something looks simple that it is simple.

The deceptive simplistic look of something can in of itself be significantly complex.

Let's take Optimus Prime for instance, specifically the Masterpiece (any one of them will do given I think they have to do what I'm about to describe). More often than not, the signature truck grille chest? It's not so simple and it's not even the same piece between modes, something I'm convinced you actually think is the case. No, there's a mid-torso rotation to swap out the wider vehicle mode grille for the narrower robot mode grille.

Its funny that the franchise tagline is 'More than meets the eye' because that's often exactly what's going on with the 'simpler' designs and you willingly are letting it fly over your head.

That's a bold faced inaccuracy given Energon, the middle of the Unicron Trilogy, was also the 20th Anniversary line. So, you have a LOT of dudes looking like their 80s designs in one way or another.

What are you even talking about? Most of the guys using G1 names looked very much like their G1 selves, just stylized. Prowl is maybe the one exception who has nothing to do with his G1 counterpart besides 'Police theme alt. mode', since even Wreck-Gar is based around garbage and even throws his G1 alt. mode carelessly at Bumblebee. And don't even bring up Megatron because surprise - his rebuilt Earth form? That's based on G1 SUPER Megatron!

But apparently they can spout G1 verbal references every five minutes and in your book that's okay? Plus, Prime's team went rogue and its story went fucking nowhere.

 

I think you mixed up TLK with TFP.

 

Just a tiny defense here, at least the Mandarin in the MCU was a GENUINE subversion of expectations that was planned out to where while it is disappointing I can see for people who wanted the proper magical Mandarin in the movie? I think at the very least no one can deny that they didn't see that twist coming and that at least when you look at the reasonings you can understand it. With the TF movies there was often no reasoning beyond either Bay's sense of what he thought looked cool and/or was funny.

 

I'll just poke my head in here briefly to say that this does not sound good. Same producer, way too many factions involved for one 2 hour film, and it supposedly releases in 1 year and they haven't even started principle photography yet? It used to take 3 years to make a movie like this. Lately it's been around 2 years. But to make an effects heavy movie like this in 1 year sounds ridiculous. The poor CGI artists are going to die from stress. Or the CGI will just be terrible.

And I'm really tired of movies using RISE in the title. It's been incredibly lame for a very long time. Just awful.

I'm also not a fan of BW but I'm willing to give this a chance. Good luck to everyone involved in making this movie! You will need it!

Carry on!  

 

Two Optimus and a Dinobot named... Dinobot. NGL as much as I am a fan of Beast Wars, I agree this can be a recipe for disaster. My guess is they worry a pure Beast Wars offering may be problematic... Also, who knows if they also want/need Auto endorsement? Chevy gained a good bit thanks to VW initially declining use of Bumblebee all these years.

 

No, I meant the people actually writing TFP. Prime isn't mockingly known as 'Transformers: Status Quo' for no reason.

 

Don’t think I’ve ever heard that, so must be known as that by very few people.