Look, I tried to sit here and act cool like I know as much as you guys, but I'm stumped and I don't care who thinks what about me. lol I'm looking at these Third Party Devastator sets and they're throwing out terms like "Legends Scale" and sometimes they don't even give a scale. And every once in a while I see a third party figure that I think is cool, but I have NO idea what I'm looking at as far as fitting in with my collection. I just collect the Hasbro figures. I go to TF Source and those other sites and my head starts spinning. So if someone could explain what I'm looking for when I want something to match up with what I already have, I would greatly appreciate it. Shoot. This really belongs in the Toy forum, doesn't it? And I can't move or delete the thread. Can someone move this?
"Legends Scale" means all of the main figures (Optimus Prime, Megatron, etc) are roughly the size of a Hasbro Legends-class figure. Nowadays Hasbro calls it "Core Class" but the general size is the same.
The classes (Deluxe, Voyager, Leader, Commander, Titan) refer to the price point, not necessarily the figure's size or scale. Deluxe: ~$20 Voyager: ~$30 Leader: ~$50 Commander: ~$80 Titan: ~$180 Depending on how that money is spent within a given class, you may get a larger or smaller figure than you expect. For example, Leader Astrotrain has so many accessories included in his $50 budget that the figure itself is quite a bit smaller than most people are probably expecting, given what a huge character Astrotrain is. In the Masterpiece line (and the 3rd Party manufacturers that emulate it), you can expect that characters will be about the correct size for what they should have been in the cartoon, and that they can stand next to other Masterpiece characters at the "correct" height. In the Legends\Core class, everyone is going to be fairly short; these are meant to be cheaper options in a smaller scale--though NewAge is famous for releasing a line of mostly $70 figures in the Legends scale, with lots of articulation and detail.
I wouldn't group those with the real Legends scale. They're between Legends and Deluxes and don't look good with the official stuff. Overall, pricepoint scale can be confusing. Legends/Legion/Cyberverse- the old scale that was very small. They were around $3 to $5, and weren't that high on the articulation meter. Cybervee Commander/Legends- the now $10 pricepoint that sees figures with a good bit of articulation and details. Not as good as Deluxes or Scouts, but still pretty awesome. Scouts- slightly larger than Legends, but a higher parts-count. Deluxes- Standard size $22 pricepoint. Voyagers- Generally larger and often more complex than Deluxes at the $30 pricepoint. Leaders- Larger, more complex. Can be Voyager-sized, but are generally larger. Commander- Bigger than Leaders for the most part at the $80 pricepoint. Titan- big. Really big. $180 big.
More or less what everyone else has said, but also to add that there's no scale ratio involved (e.g. 1:15, 1:20, 1:34, etc.) if that's what you were looking for. The term "scale" is used pretty loosely in that regard, and terms like "size class" or "price point" are more accurate to what Hasbro and some Third Party companies use when it comes to how they market figures; e.g. the deluxe size class figures have a price point between $18 and $22, depending on where you're buying and what line the figure is sold as part of A few people have also mentioned that size is one of the main factors in deciding a figure's price-point, but parts count is important too. For example, Studio Series '86 Hot Rod fits into the deluxe size class of around 5-6" tall, but because he has a high parts count and several accessories, he's sold at the voyager price point to accommodate
https://tfsource.com/3rd-party-figu...set-of-2-figures-newage-the-legendary-heroes/ Ok... so these would work with my Hasbro figures right?
No, they're roughly 4-inches tall, while the real Legends figures are around 3.5-inches. Maybe the not-Constructicons would work due to being combiners, but I know that their not-Megatron is horribly out of scale.
It's as moronic as the sizing nomenclature at Starbucks. Seriously, I despise ridiculous marketing tactics like this. You shouldn't feel bad for not knowing-- you should be happy that your brain doesn't work that way to begin with.
There are no official ones, unfortunately. There's a set of KO's of (I think) DX9's not-Constructicons that stands about 7-inches combined that could work. The individual figures scale with real Legends.
The DX9 Hulkie bots aren’t too bad from what I remember sized with official legends. I think that got bootlegged a few different times at different sizes too. Which figures are you wanting to put them with? I can snap a couple shots of the DX9 constructicons alongside some modern official legends if you have some in mind.
It happened pretty much the same way too. Starbucks started out with Small, Tall, and Grande, then they got rid of small cuz no one bought it and added a 20 ounce cup because grande wasn't grande enough, so now tall is small and grande is medium despite meaning big in Italian, and big is 20 which in Italian is venti. Similarly, Hasbro's price scheme started out with names that made sense like Basic, Deluxe, Mega, and Ultra, but kept changing the names of some but not all of them, and at different times, and according to different schemas that don't make sense together, probably because Hasbro's marketing office was bloated with suits desperately trying to justify their job positions by effecting changes in whatever meaningless way possible to trick their bosses into thinking they were actually doing something, I don't know.
The facts the name have stuck around as long as they have is bizarre. And it started with the first modern size class concept, Beast Wars. Basic... $5 made sense Deluxe.... $10.... that's cool. And then things got weird. Mega.... $15 Ultra.... $20 Super.... $30. In typical American english Ultra > Super, and Mega probably between them. But it got reversed here. Those names stuck around for awhile. Why "Deluxe"? Same reason McDonalds has called many products "Deluxe". Because in marketing it implies a premium product, even if it is baseline. Legends class started in classics, as the cheapest product meant to just represent the "legendary" characters of sort, in a small form. However over time that size class, which got a little bigger, came to be dominated by sub-deluxe characters like Bumblebee and the Insecticons. Basic went away entirely. The weird one to me, is "Voyager". Voyager popped up as a size class between the $10 deluxe and $25 ultra in Cybertron, hand had a lot of space vehicles. So "Voyager" made a kind of sense. Over the years Voyager and Ultra got merged (the gap never made much sense), but the name stuck around. That was 16 years ago. Besides "Deluxe" no single size class name has stuck around so long. Leader", the $40/$45/$50/$52 price point over the years actually does often include leader-style characters. So it works. The new thing though that WFC has done, is include more-engineered characters as the next high price point, with additional accessories. So we get Siege Shockwave, at Leader, SS86 Hot Rod, and Deluxe Cliffjumper. It's a good practice, but not every figure needs it. In terms of fixing the size classes, this is what I would do: Core - $13 Deluxe - $24 Super - $35 (Replace the Voyager name) Ultra - $50 Commander - $65 (a step down from Commanders we now, but allows for better engineered leaders with their accessories done better, e.g. Optimus with a good trailer or a more substantial Optimal Optimus) Supreme - $90 (WFC Commanders, with electronics) Titan - $200 (no compromises)
Leader class today is actually Ultra class. The Commander class is taking the place of the old Leader class. Average hourly wage in the US in 2002: $10.19 Estimate for 2021:$16.50 $5 Basic > $10 Core (49% to 60% of AHW) $10 Deluxe > $24 Deluxe (98% to 145% of AHW) $20 Mega > $32 Voyager (196% to 194% of AHW) $30 Ultra > $55 Leader (294% to 333% of AHW) $40 Leader > $85 Commander (392% to 515% of AHW) $50 Supreme > nothing (491% of AHW) nothing > $170 Titan (1030% of AHW) The relationship between the price points and AHW confirms that 2021 leader class is the old Ultra class. And Ultras sometimes were Voyagers with a few extras, usually lights and sounds. While the Leader-Commander bump is interesting - a 31% growth in the price point, from 392% to 515% -, the Deluxe class is the most surprising one. At $24, 2021 deluxe class price point is 145% of AHW, a 48% increase from 2002 (from 98% to 145%). It seems that - deluxe class is so popular that a 48% increase hasn't bothered its customers - Mega and Ultra continue to be solid performers, justifying their continued existence - Leader class needed to be repositioned as Commander, and if you look at Kingdom Galvatron it's still experimental at this stage - Titan class took Supreme class and doubled its price point (209%), evidently finding a good market considering the consistency of this offering It seems that at a sub-deluxe price point there is a lot of variability, probably because of the many alternatives for a small budget. It also seems that once you reach 300% of AHW, the willingness to spend of TFans drops a bit, unless you bring them something as exciting as a Titan- and a for a Titan, WtS goes out of the roof.
Now, now. What could be less confusing than a "Commander" being bigger and more expensive than a "Leader," a "Legend" being smallest of all, and in the middle is something called a..."deluxe?" Oh, and "Titan" is also a size class, and a subline, and also a cheapo hunk of plastic unrelated the prior two. Couldn't be simpler!
This is a very understandable confusion. But there is a distinction between what everyone is talking about here. One difference is "[price point name]-scale" and something like "1:18 scale" or "1/6 scale". Some people, Hasbro included on occasion, refer to price points as "scales", with Hasbro even going as far as to describe all figures uniformly as "X inches tall"(example: all Deluxes are referred to as "5.5 inches tall"), despite characters within that price point, even in the same line, can vary greatly in height and size(HftD Lockdown and Hailstorm, for example). However, the standardized scale(as in "how many of X character it takes stacked on top of each other to equal a full-sized version of that character") of the modern Generations lines - Studio Series, Siege, Earthrise, and Kingdom - is roughly 1:35 scale. All of these definitions of course sews confusion, but once you understand what everyone's talking about, it gets a lot easier. Hope that helps.
Just anything in the War For Cybertron series (Siege, Earthrise, Kingdom) would be fine. That's basically the bulk of my collection right now. I have the basic ones (Hound, Sideswipe, Prowl, Wheeljack) and SS86 Jazz and Hound. I also have Prime, Megatron, and Cyclonus
