Jurassic World Dominion (Jurassic World 3)

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    Since I've not seen the preview footage I can't judge what they showed, but I hope there is a better context behind what they did if these descriptions were accurate. It could be just preview demo or a dream sequence for all I care instead of being what really happened in this universe.
     
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    I think everyone should accept that the Jurassic franchise takes place in an alternate timeline from ours. It's a MOVIE.
     
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    A timeline where the Suchumimus was discovered roughly 5 years before the real discovery date in our timeline.
     
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    It's a franchise called Jurassic World, majority of dinosaurs are from Cretaceous period. I just want them to look good and be entertained.
     
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    As the late Ray Harryhausen said: "We're not making the film for professors because they don't usually see these types of films, and we're making the film to entertain the public, so certain liberties are taken. But basically, the whole principal is to get them as accurate as possible."
     
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    These are really flimsy excuses especially when the guy in the tweet is Steve Brusatte, a paleontologist consultant hired to be... the consultant to the film. They have several other big name paleontologists as consultants for this movie.

    Don't get me wrong, this franchise is beyond salvageable at this point, but the producers love flaunting who they hired as consultants only to have the most hilariously bad dinosaurs in the movie.

    To put it in another way, Transformers Age of Extinction was more willing to follow the latest science, and that movie didn't have any paleontologists attached to the movie.
     
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    If Walking with Dinosaurs couldn't be accurate with dinosaur placements in their show despite having multiple paleontologists in a show meant to be an educational documentary what hope do you have for a product made for entertainment?

    Now I state again, I will hold my judgment till I see the final product and get the whole context.
     
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    I'm probably going to get flak for saying this but I can't see how the Jurassic World series destroyed the realism and charm of bringing in real world takes on Dinosaurs by giving us ones like Indominus Rex and Indoraptor when from the beginning the Dinosaurs were already technically genetic monsters to begin with. Sure compared to other Dinosaur stories they're more real based in terms of looks and behaviors but even then early one they have traits that prevent them from being 100% real Dinosaurs. Like for example the frog DNA in them allowed them to change into the fitting genders needed to breed, how the Dilophosaurus was smaller then the real one and had frilled lizard traits not found on the real one, and the raptors aren't anything like how they are in real life. Something that Dr Wu bluntly pointed out in the first JW movie on how none of the Dinosaurs at least a lot of them aren't based on what they looked like in life. So the argument that the Dinosaurs in the franchise don't feel like real animals anymore but more like monsters doesn't really makes sense to me since as said before they technically weren't 100% real Dinosaurs to begin with and that the JW movies are only proving this fact further.

    Heck I can make the argument that if anything the JW does manage to showcase the Dinosaurs even the newly created ones to have real world animal traits and empathy towards them just as much if not more so then the original JP films. Even going as far as to make the Raptors themselves feel more like real animals as opposed to just killing machines the original JP films made them largely to be. Owens' relationship with Blue is a good example of this.
     
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    This argument actually goes back to the original book but instead of Masrani it was with Hammond with the added discussion of making their dinosaurs less realistic because Hamm thought the public wouldn't accept the current ones as real ones because the popular image of the dinosaurs was akin to the old Charles R Knight's outdated art, slow, dumb, etc. and they feared their super realistic ones will be seen as fakes and not "believable".

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    Are you talking about the Utahraptor? Cause in WWD, there's a very good reason why Utahraptor can appear in Europe. North America and Europe's been connected for millions of years and do actually share a lot of the same species. Parts of Europe are practically identical to NA. There is a lot more thought put into WWD than what's here.
     
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    The films have already addressed that these are theme park monsters and not what true dinosaurs looked like. Having real dinosaurs in the same location 65 million years ago is indeed a bit different but this franchise already introduced human cloning and dinosaur hybrids. They’re not Michael Bay dumb movies, but they can be pretty dumb.
     
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    Utahraptor didn't even exist in that time period depicted in the episode let alone travel to Europe. And the Dromaeosauroids that did live in Europe in that time period (Ornithodesmus) were too small to be Utahraptors. That goes to almost every creature presented in the series that couldn't co-exist with each other with ones went extinct before the time period in the episodes or the ones that appeared too early.

    As for other misplaced creatures, you also have the Plateosaurus in America (European), Peteinosaurus in America (European) and Thrinaxodon in America (South African + Antarctica).

    And on the subject:



     
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    One of the greatest things about Jurassic Park was that it updated the public’s perception of dinosaurs to the more-or-less paleontological consensus. Unfortunately, the Jurassic Park franchise’s cultural monopoly on dinosaurs means that it (perhaps unfairly) has the responsibility to portray dinosaurs as accurately as possible. “They’re just movie monsters” doesn’t hold water when these are real animals that actually existed, and people come away from the theater with such outdated conceptions, and theres no easily accessible alternative thats more accurate.

    I hope that eventually the MCU goes to the Savage Land, because it seems like thats the only chance to see dinosaurs that aren’t shackled to Jurassic Park.
     
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    Or you could watch Walking with Dinosaurs 3D and the gloriously feathered Troodon/Stenonychosaurus. :p 
     
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    Paleontologists should first apologize for ruining Spino, then we talk about making JP dinos "accurate".
     
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    Spinosaurus isn’t a monster, it was a real animal. It didn’t exist for your aesthetic pleasure, and its not “ruined” by learning more about it.
     
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    I have nothing against learning new things about them, but it broke a little part of my soul, nostalgia is too strong.
     
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    Oh, don’t me wrong, I loved JP3 Spinosaurus. I’m right there with you in feeling nostalgia for that look. Its just that now, I look at it like I do Ray Harryhausen’s dinosaurs, as artistic novelties.
     
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    Notice a lot of the displaced dinosaurs are during the Triassic? Pangea was a single continent and while I agree that they are stretching it, it's really not to the level of insanity of the JW movies. They applied logic to it. Same with some of the time discrepancies. They were close enough that there was so leeway into what existed with what.

    The Utahraptor was okayed by James Kirkland, the guy who discovered Utahraptor.
     
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    I think if anything, it give more weight to Alan Grant's line in JP3 about how the dinosaurs that were brought back are "nothing more than genetically engineered theme park monsters". Same with Wu's scene in World.
     
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