I’m not sure why anyone would think that Tarantulas was a former Sweep.

 

In "Nemesis, Part 1", Megatron calls Tarantulas "Unicron's spawn".

And oh man, Transformers fans take this stuff very literally.

See also: "Welcome to the dark side".

 

Well Hasbro has never and will never give out a definitive answer because it's more fun to let people banter and talk about the brand. Same reason they occasionally release a Rumble toy that's blue every once in awhile.

As for Tarantulas and the Tripredacus council, maybe the new Beast Wars comic will finally fill in that little plot nugget? (Probably not.)

 

Hasbro has given an answer though and they've never released a G1 rumble that was blue as far as I'm aware

 

They haven't given anything definitive, unlike with Scourge and even as of Kingdom they continue to play it coy. Most likely because they don't want to because this way is more fun.

No, they haven't exactly, but Reveal the Shield Rumble was going to be blue. And both "Aligned" era Rumbles from Hasbro were blue.

 

FIBRIR for the win just to add more fuel to the fire.

 

On that Tarantulas side that's why there's that joke of Tarantulas being Sideways making its way around. Because, purple bike, spawn of Unicron, clearly the same.

except they're nothing alike aside from being bikes

Anywho, this has already been answered: Depends on the universe, though thematically (And price-wise) the two jets becoming the two is what happened in catalogues. Skywarp and Bombshell both show up in the Coronation scene (like, running from Cyclonus level show up), so clearly the true answer is that Cyclonus is born from one of those random background Seekers or a random Insecticon clone

 

The true identity of Cyclonus was...right here all along (points to your heart)

 

Yeah, I knew all that. The thing is, Takara also took that line literally, and most of their post-G1 fiction, especially Legends, has Tarantulas being one of Unicron's minions.

 

I don’t think that happened I just think it’s a better fit than the possibility of him being Cyclonus as sone point

Actually Hasbro most definitely gave a definitive answer back in 1986

And they double down on that when they authorized the Botcon comics

Forgive me for being so blunt but


100% bullshit

The movie itself was definitive, the subsequent comic books I mentioned above were definitive

The problem is the a segment of the fandom just didn’t like it And grasp of every straw they can think of to deny it

And yeah Hasbro is now playing it up for what it’s worth but they gave definitive answers years ago

Unless you were specifically meaning mass retail and an actual transforming toy then they did release rumble in blue at least Twice





There’s also these two statues



Not toys and also not from Hasbro directly but certainly authorized by them

And again not transformable and not from Hasbro directly but also authorized by them

 

The movie itself is pretty definitive, as were the Botcon Wreckers comics which were produced under license from Hasbro, so yes, Hasbro has provided a definitive answer in the past and people just chose to ignore it because it didn't fit their preferred narrative.

As for RTS Rumble, that never came out, so I don't count it, and the Aligned Rumbles aren't G1, so they don't fit the context of what I said.

I'll stand corrected with these Rumbles

 

Still, Rumble has appeared more times as Red in both media and toys than in blue.

Plus I think Blue fits Frenzy more, and Rumble with Red.

 

Yea, the overwhelming majority of the time Hasbro continuity G1 Rumble is the red one, the only time he's blue is the Sunbow toon and stuff that is specifically referencing the Sunbow toon.

 

"Authorized" and "produced under license" from Hasbro doesn't actually mean an official statement from Hasbro, though. I mean, actually read those comics sometime and tell me again how much input and care there likely was from Hasbro back in those days...or for most of the past three and a half decades to be fair. That was no statement, Hasbro likely just gave the thumbs up and didn't even read a single word (let alone write one).

Anyway, there's been a lot of authorized works in this franchise that are better off forgotten and probably not something Hasbro will care to reference again ("The Beast Within" is something that exists, after all), or recognize as part of any major canon that Hasbro themselves follow. I mean, I have those books. I also have the equally authorized movie tie-in issues from Marvel where it looks like there was definitely one of the coneheads in the mix of Decepticon corpses that made up Cyclonus and Scourge. So take that for what you will, but I wouldn't hold that up much scrutiny, either.

Besides, I meant an actual statement from Hasbro. A definitive "yes, it was Bombshell you idiots, now buy that toy and get out!", in the same way no one is confused over Scourge being made out of Thundercracker as Hasbro says as much as it is literally printed on the package bios. For Cyclonus they have never actually done that, first because the old Hasbro didn't give a crap about these characters let alone what fans argued about on message boards, and now because the new Hasbro is made up by fans like you and me and they'd likely rather have fun with it. And definitive answers aren't fun.

For that matter, Flint Dille is also just having fun with this, too, because it's 35 years later and that darn movie is getting a pretty 4K makeover and making some news again, so why not?

Ironic about preferred narratives there. It was still a fully designed and finished figure (with the possibility of finished samples floating around) that while a victim of the line's cancellation was still a G1 based Rumble that Hasbro designers had intended to be blue.

Your context isn't what I said, either, I said "Rumble toys". You specified G1. And even still, while FOC was just matching game colors, sure, but with Prime why still make him blue? It's a whole new continuity and I doubt they ran out of red paint, which means there was a conscious effort at the time by the designers at Hasbro to still present Rumbles in a blue color. And while they've been consistently red favored since, given time the favor may change again.

 

Did Hasbro give the thumbs up for the Botcon stories? Yes, so in actuality that is endorsement from Hasbro and an official statement on who became who. You can hand wave it as much as you want, but Hasbro still had final approval.

As to your comment about preferred narratives, there have been several occasions where a figures name changes prior to release, so an unreleased figure being labeled as Rumble doesn't count because it wasn't released. There's even been instances of packaging mockups being completed and then a figures name has been changed. There's no preferred narrative there, simply a fact, and that fact is that RTS Rumble wasn't released so in the context of this conversation he doesn't really count, especially considering you are the one that qualified that Hasbro has RELEASED blue Rumbles.

 

Han Solo shot first!

 

Hasbro has never released a G1 blue Rumble transforming toy. The only one that came close was the RTS one, but it was canceled.

All of those are just non-transforming figures depicting the character from the cartoon specifically.. So yeah, he’s blue.

Yes, this.

Oh and I wasn’t saying Tarantulas was a Sweep or Cyclonus. It just a random musing to spark conversation.  

 

Like a boss

 

 
Rumble and Frenzy high jacked Cyclonus Thread.

 

Actually yes it does
Hasbro has final say on anything done in a story, while They don’t fully exercise this power they have been responsible for script changes and story alterations

Now I can’t say how much or how little they may have actually interfered in this particular case, but They certainly have the ability and the opportunity, and I seriously doubt they didn’t have somebody at the very least do a skim through the material before it was published.

I got the same Comics as a matter fact I was looking through them a little bit earlier, But The way the drawing was rendered there’s absolutely no way of knowing which corpses were used to become any of the reformatted characters including the sweeps

Funny that you bring up a comic adaptation have you taken a look at the IDW Adaptation from a few years ago?Yet another Hasbro authorized work, Which was intended to be a bit more faithful to the film, and another confirmation that Bombshell became Cyclonus

And like I said you got that with the original film and the subsequent Comics

Everything about product placement and storytelling clearly tells us it was Bombshell, he was upfront of in the scene in question, closer to center and the larger figure, the camara stayed Focus on his character and was the featured close-up

You can’t get much more definitive out of a toy commercial

Can I ask you What are you talking about?

I haven’t purchased every single iteration of g1 scourge, But I don’t know of a single one that contains in the package bio that Scourge was once Thundercracker

It certainly wasn’t on the G1 Bio
G1 and G1 TM bios

Scourge is fearsome, merciless and implacable hunter. Created from Decepticon wreckage, he leads "The Sweeps", a wolf pack of tracker-terminator's designed to hunt down and eradicate Autobots. Scourge possesses powerful high-tech scanning equipment and a disintergater ray that can cut through solid rock. In robot Mode, he carries a laser blaster that shoots short bursts of intense heat. Scourge's only weakness is his arrogance.

Merciless, fearsome -- only his extreme hatred of Autobots prevents him from attacking his Nebulan allies. The Nebulan is a high-temperature incendiary cannon with a violate temper to match. In vehicle Mode, Scourge is a hunter-destroyer, land-scouring vehicle. Equipped with optical and heat sensors for detecting and eliminating enemies. Maximum speed: 260 mph.

Titanium Scourge
After the catastrophic battle in which both Megatron and Optimus Prime were mortally damaged, the fleeing Decepticon forces dumped the ruined bodies of their former comrades into space to lighten their load. In the void of deep space, the wreckage drifted until an ancient creature known as Unicron swallowed it up, melted it down, and used it to create a hose of mechanical servants. Among this host was a squad of elite tracker-terminators known as the Sweeps, led by the deadly and silent Scourge.

Botcon 2009
Born from the wreckage of fallen Decepticons, Scourge is a merciless warrior without fear. He is often seen following the lead of Cyclonus, but internally he is constantly calculating new ways to maneuver the Decepticon Empire towards greatness through his service. While loyal to the Decepticon cause, there is no one he will not defy if he feels there is a better way to bring destruction upon the Autobots. Scourge is a tracker by nature, using his vast array of detection equipement to find his prey. Once found, he has an arsenal of weaponry at his disposal to destroy his targets including disintegration beams, acid rays and tractor beams. Scourge leads "The Sweeps," a tactical unit comprised of battlefield specialists who serve as extensions of his will. Scourge's only weakness is his

Screaming down out of the night sky of Cybertron, Scourge and his troops fell upon Autobot and Decepticon alike, destroying all those who stood against them. They were the first in a long line of heralds and servants to the evil Unicron, and to this day many of the streets and buildings of Cybertron carry the scars left by their powerful disintegration cannons.

Generations
Little is known about the origin of the immensely powerful hunter known as Scourge. He rarely speaks, and never reveals his secrets. Few who encounter him survive to tell the tale. More often, he descends on his target from the sky, lays waste to all who oppose him, and disappears back into the darkness of space.

Titans return (As far as I can tell this was the only thing written on his box)
The Decepticons unite with Titan Master partners to power up for battle! Fracas can steal the powers of other bots, letting Scourge harness whatever ability suits his sinister plans.

That was just a quick search that I did but if you are familiar with any of the renditions of a Hasbro G1 Scourge , That’s specifically states he was once thundercracker on the box, please enlighten me.......There isn’t even any mention of it on the studio 86 scourge package