That's a lot of good points. And I think maybe a point of mine is lost, maybe because I didn't expand on it enough. My apologies.


1. This entire thread is dumb because it's based on feelings not actual fact. There is no way you can claim a show is the best/worst ever, there isn't a way to prove that.

2. The writing suffers because its designed to sell toys. It's never going to be on par with a major show, because there are other priorities then writing when the show is being made.

3. I didn't say don't critize a show. I am stating that you should keep my statement above in mind, and bring valid arguments against a show.
Saying things like, no or WRONG as an entire reason is insulting to a person, because you are just attacking them, instead of saying why you disagree.

4. Yes, you can 100% just glaze over what's wrong with a show and appreciate why someone else loves it. It's not your job to tear them apart and tell them why they are wrong. For example. Many people hate the Unicorn trilogy. I'm not going to tell them they are wrong to love it. But some people don't do that. Even in this thread people have stated a person is wrong to love Prime because they feel the writing is subpar.

My examples.

Bad.

Good response.

Now, to finalize my point in hopefully a more clear way.

No one show is better than another, because it boils down to how we feel about them. The writing and other parts of the show suffer because the top priority is to sell toys. Keep that in mind while critizing. While critizing shows to people who love them, explain why you don't like it, be mindful that they love it for reasons you may not have noticed or understand.

I'm going to state my feelings of a show too. I like Prime because of Megatron, the writing and the crafted story. I hate Animated because the way its drawn, the main girl who I find annoying, and the story is boring to how I feel. But I respect that it brings bulkhead, gives megatron a cool altmode, and brings cyber ninjas. Both series had their time cut short because sales were dropping.

 

And let me tell you why that's bullshit with Prime.

See, lets just ignore the 'end-user' side of things which you're using this inane excuse to try and write off literally anything everybody says. Instead, let's look at it from the side of the people who made this crap.

The purpose of the Prime cartoon was to be a proof of concept for the Aligned continuity, which already had several versions of the 'prologue' occur with the WFC video game and the Exodus novel - specifically the novel is the first case (or so I'm aware) that establishes a key constant that is Trypticon is the Nemesis. Later on, Fall of Cybertron will also feature Trypticon becoming the Nemesis.

Now, I like many people have never had the opportunity to look within the Aligned series bible that is the Binder of Relevation, but I would bet good money that it states in no uncertain terms that Trypticon is the Nemesis.

Moving back to Prime, we get to the episode Flying Mind where the Nemesis gains sentience and has a clear hateboner for what is its own crew. Following from Fall of Cybertron, this makes sense as the Nemesis Protocol was irreversible and Megatron authorized it as punishment for Trypticon failing to stop the Autobots during the events of the previous game.

And then those idiots who produced the show come out and state that somehow, the Nemesis IS NOT Trypticon. Remember, this show's only reason to exist is to prove the viability of the Aligned blueprint, which was already very generous in that it was just really guidelines and didn't require things to be set in stone beyond specific criteria.

Prime went out of its fucking way to violate every single one of those.

And this situation with the Nemesis, as I like to call it 'Schrodigner's Trypticon' as the Nemesis both is and is not Trypticon simultaneously, the only conceivable reason that the Prime cartoon DIDN'T make it Trypticon is to be a massive middle finger to Hasbro because FoC also had insisted that the Nemesis itself matched the design, or otherwise closely resembled, the Nemesis from the cartoon, as it was around that time Hasbro was trying to salvage the continuity from the damage Prime was doing.

The final nail in the coffin is the Rik Alverez panel, where he confirmed the writing team had arguments over Trypticon being the Nemesis or not, when as I already pointed out, this should not have even been an argument whatsoever because this was not their choice to make!

Prime is bad because it literally failed to keep true to the very thing it was supposed to provide legitimacy for.

 

Very well made argument. However, still like the show and continues to be one of my favorites.
The trypticon issue is no big deal to me at all. I can enjoy the show without caring about it.

Are there other issues you have? That one single item seems to be a wierd place to get hung up on.

 

The Plot, Execution, Characters,and Connection to the MISalignedDIScontinuity.

 

I like those except the last one. I don't care about the last one.

Bulkhead is awesome, my favorite Acree, vehicons are funny. Soundwave was amazing and terrifying.

Only character I didn't like is bumblebee, but that is another issue.

 

The fact that the whole thing where Megatron thinks humans are powerful stems from Miko literally just pushing a button, in a way where there was literally no way for any Decepticons to even see it was her and not Wheeljack?

The fact that Optimus Prime seemingly only exists because the Senate just gave the title of Prime to this random-ass librarian who made a fancy speech, purely to spite Megatron, and until this exact point in the flashback, Megatron's own political views suggested he wouldn't have even WANTED the Prime title in the first place?

The fact the writers themselves admitted Raf was such a plot device that they didn't have a clue as to why he was even still around in S3?

Trust me, the list goes on and on.

 

Okay! I understand. How you feel doesn't take away my enjoyment or make me wrong to enjoy it.

 

And at what point did ANYBODY ever say that it was wrong to like it?

 

You dont care about the Aligned Continuity

 

It's implied, depending on the argument. And this in general, bLike your first one. Let's over simplify.
Person A: I love this show, because I think the characters are great and so is the plot.
Person B: you are wrong, all the things you like about the show are very bad and the show is horrible.

That implies that not only do you think the show is bad, but I am wrong for liking it.

When I continued to say what I liked about it, you continued to nitpick at things. At wbag point does that stop?

 

No, I didn't care that is was supposed to be aligned. I didn't have access to all the materials that go together. I played the game, and watched the show. It was years later before I realized it was all connected.
I didn't know about books or comics.

 

At the time when you realize you can actually recognize something is bad and that it's perfectly okay to admit it's bad, while at the same time enjoying it.

Otherwise you will get caught into real life logic loops like actually defending genuine shit like My Immortal, possibly the most infamous fanfiction ever written next to the Star Trek one that gave birth to the very concept of Mary Sue.

 

I feel more it's the point of, just because you feel it's bad doesn't mean other people think it is and you don't have to prove them wrong.

That's why this thread should have been killed the moment it popped up. Even the person who made it said so.

 

Don't get me wrong, Prime does have errors and it's not perfect by any means. But if I worried about it, and let me stop enjoying things, I wouldnt watch any transformers series, ever. G1 was filled with errors from the start and had 3 different continunity going.

 

This is literally an online discussion forum. What exactly were you expecting, an echo chamber?

Nobody says G1 was good. G1 largely is only even still relevant in terms of the original series purely for nostalgia. Otherwise, it's as cheap and cheesy as any other given 80s toyline of the period.

Plus, that really kind of backfires on you given that's the quality you're comparing Prime to, a cheap-as-shit toy commercial with a plot, where the scripts took a week from first draft to final submission for the payment check (according to the writers themselves!) and where the show had to bail out one of the voice actors from jail pretty much every other week (Chris Latta). The only reason you're even making this comparison is because G1 is such an easy target and you're throwing out context left and right in a mad attempt to try and explain why you still like it, when that was never the argument to begin with which was that the show is just bad PERIOD. Liking it or not is entirely independent of the actual quality and indeed the fact the G1 stuff from the 80s is still popular despite being low budget trash is proof of this, since many G1 fans will admit it's purely nostalgia from childhood they like the old stuff for and not any actual qualities except maybe the voice acting because Chris Latta's high pitched voices will always be remembered.

 

More discussion, less picking apart what people enjoy about a show? More than one sentence post of, no you are wrong?

Edit: this is coming full circle.

 

Shit that was clear as mud.

I expect that when people say they enjoy the storyline, that no one feels the need to explain everything wrong with that storyline.

It's like telling kids Santa isn't real?

 

False Equivalence.

 

Strawman

 

Red Herring