Unpopular transformers opinions

Discussion in 'Transformers General Discussion' started by mn_128875, Dec 30, 2019.

  1. Dconworshipper

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    some of these have been said by other members but i agree with them aswell so bear with me please.

    megatron should be a tank or jet. no matter if it's cybertronian or earth based.

    soundwave's earth alt mode should be a communications van instead of a cassette player. it does a better job at the spying thing and is more practical since it's mobile. minions can be stored in the engine bay and chest.

    rotf is the most enjoyable bayformer film. best designs aswell.

    beast wars would not make a good live action movie,it would just be weird,unless they all look like the bayformer dino's which i doubt would be the case.

    i can't stand the idea of megatron becoming an autobot in the comics. granted i have not read them but i just can't go with it. prime handled the "redemtpion" for megatron the right way. have him realise the error of his ways and go into self imposed exile,leaving the cons behind. NOT go so far as to turn into an autobot.

    dinobots as a concept are overrated but the toys are still cool though. (so only half of an unpoplar opinion?)

    sam was not a annoying character in the bay movies,he was actually prety cool. cade however was so boring and dry.(again only half of an unpoplar opinion)
     
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  2. sk8erboi

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    I'd rather have LEDs instead of light piping.
     
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  3. dsprks75

    dsprks75 Robot Enthusiast

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    Okay see that’s a great compromise
     
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  4. TheSoundwave

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    Holo-matter avatars are hugely overrated. I used to think the idea was cool, but now I don't really like it. To me part of what's interesting about the brand is the contrast between the Transformers and the humans. In some ways they're very human, but they're also larger-than-life begins who can't just chill in your living room. Their scale gives them a neat limitation, and a unique relationship with the human characters. Just creating human personas that can do everything a human can do (including interact with matter) feels like cheap way of characterizing them, and removes some of the magic. Might as well just be telling a story about humans. It reminds me a bit too much of those DeviantArt/Tumblr "Lorax as an anime human" drawings or whatever. Which are fun as a thought experiment, but it feels a bit much for canon.

    I do like the idea of driver holograms, if the idea is limited enough. I thought it was cool how it was handled in the '07 film, where Barricade, Starscream, and Blackout all shared the same driver. Almost like they had one 3D model of a human, and had to keep reusing that. I think the concept is fine for the purpose of adding an extra layer of disguise, but I don't think they should be used to characterize the robots (with the exception of maybe a Cullen cameo, since he and Optimus are already so intertwined). And I think they should always remain inside the robots.
     
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  5. SecretWyvern

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    Fair enough and a fairly valid complaint, though I'd argue they could be used to good effect, adding another layer of disguise to the matter, with the autobots (and possibly decepticons) attempting to blend in with society while fighting their war and trying to obtain information, as long as their use was limited in some way with hard rules to avoid the story from just becoming a story about humans like you said.
     
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    If memory doesn't fail me at the start of IDW 1.0 holomatter avatars could only be projected close to the robot itself and thus if they wanted to blend in the organic society and gather information they had to use facsimile constructs which is another type of technology that is less of an avatar and more like an organic drone
     
  7. CyberstormSM

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    I don't know if this is unpopular or not, but I like Tarn's design being used as the "Perfect Decepticon" design in Cyberverse.
     
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    I think that's actually popular, as I haven't seen any hate for it.
     
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    I remember some people being upset when it was revealed that it wasn't actually Tarn, but maybe it's died down since then.
     
  10. mn_128875

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    To be honest, that is an extremely dumb complaint because there’s no way that hasbro is going ever introduce one the most sadistic transformers characters ever. Also even if hasbro allowed them to introduce tarn, they would have to make him a way less threatening villain and have him die in a pathetic way.
     
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    Totally agree. I just think it needs to be limited. I feel like pretty much any fictional technology needs to be limited, honestly, or risks being too overpowered and confusing. IDW's portrayal of the holomatter avatars (specifically in MTMTE) was a bit much for me, where they could walk around separately from the Cybertronians inside of buildings and whatnot, and interact with matter. Like, if you had that tech couldn't you use it for more useful stuff than interacting with human kids and chilling in a bar? Couldn't you project a tiny Ant-Man sized holomatter avatar inside of the Decepticons and shut them down from the inside? Couldn't Megatron create a holomatter avatar of the president and use it to cause some major internal damage? It just seems really overpowered.

    I recall liking the concept better in Infiltration, where they were glitchy and weren't fully convincing as humans. Like, they work when people are seeing from a distance in the car, but they're not terribly useful outside of that. Adding some sort of barrier like that makes the concept more fun, and also explains why they can't use it to do really crazy things.
     
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    *screeches in Micron Legend/Armada hologram technology*
    I totally agree as well
     
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    I look at it this way: Cybertronian technology is obviously millennia ahead of our own (like sentient robots for starters), so a lot of stuff is on the table with regards to what they're capable of.

    Of course this doesn't always translate well to toy form.
     
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    A Transformers/Gravity Falls crossover would be very cool.
     
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  15. Zentropy

    Zentropy Toys > Fiction

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    My middle son loved that show. I have to say, it was nicely done (and besides, I love Oregon). I don’t recall a lot of vehicles though...
     
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    Next year should have been called Generations and the last 10 years should have been called Legacy.
     
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    They should just stay holograms projected from the Transformers themselves.
     
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    Suboptimal Optimus Burn it all down

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    Jake Foushee/Tillman is a bad Optimus voice, at least currently. Let me explain, since its something I've ranted about elsewhere: its not that he's a bad voice actor but I get the impression the studios want him to just be a 'substitute Peter Cullen'. To me, this is hurting his performance and range. All the best alternate Optimus voices had more room and variety to the character to act their own way and truly make the role seem unique. Gary Chalk as Primal (I know, different character but still the Optimus of his era) or Kaye as Animated Optimus come to mind. Even those roles which were just flat dubbing, such as Cullen again or Neil Kaplan had their own style and flair to the character in minute ways.

    Jake honestly seems like he's being constantly told to just do a Cullen impression and that's hurting his take on the character. Let the guy breathe and developed his style and tone. Let him be a different Optimus Prime and not stuck in the shadow of Peter Cullen. I'm sure if they keep him down that path the fandom and even Foushee himself might grow to resent this down the line. He's not Cullen and nobody else can be Cullen and that's fine. Its wrong to treat a voice actor as a 'poor man's X' you know? Which is sadly how Foushee is handled, at least in my eyes.
     
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    Suboptimal Optimus Burn it all down

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    Oh, another one: fuck trying to make Megatron and the Decepticons good. Screw moral relativism and edgyness in the name of 'depth' or 'maturity'. Sometimes, an archetype is an archetype for a reason. Lets not try to make Megatron into Magneto or other villains who go "Boohoo I'm tragic and opwessed". In the same vein, Optimus is and should remain a hero unless one is deliberately doing a Shattered Glass episode in that tv show/series/whatever, then you can delve into the evil counterpart ideas just fine. I'm not saying Megatron can't have some qualities which could be almost seen as good or that Optimus can't have a few flaws but the characters should adhere to the idea they are archetypes. Optimus Primal and Animated Optimus both struggled with being these paragons of good but in the end we always knew they were always meant to grow into it, even if sometimes things weren't always going to go perfectly.

    Yeah I know a certain breed or two of fans who are foaming at the mouth or would even accuse me of being some kind of 'anti intellectual' but screw it. Archetypes and ideals matter.
     
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