Unpopular transformers opinions

Discussion in 'Transformers General Discussion' started by mn_128875, Dec 30, 2019.

  1. Zentropy

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    I regret agreeing with this, but you're not wrong. The lack of evolution in the franchise is ultimately going to kill it. I wouldn't mind a break in the media, as long as something fresh came out of it in a few years.
     
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  2. Suboptimal Optimus

    Suboptimal Optimus Burn it all down

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    We need more shows like Beast Wars or Animated (in the sense of doing new things but doing them well) and less like Cyberverse or that Netflix abomination.
     
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    Transformers cartoons would greatly benefit from another Marty Isenberg/Robert Skir collaboration. Beast Machines was controversial but it was definitely unique and a fresh take on the franchise. Not to mention, they're both talented individuals in their own right.
     
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    It's like a video game constantly remastering itself to appeal to longtime centric fans. You love the new graphics and all but it only goes so far until you have to try something new.
     
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    I think one way Hasbro COULD do it, while sticking to their 'evergreen' mentality is keep cast to a bare minimum of two iconics per faction. So Megatron and Starscream for the 'cons and Optimus and Bumblebee for the 'bots. Not that I like Bumblebee but he sell and money talks. The entire rest of the cast is made up of less famous characters like, I dunno, Pipes and Huffer or the Reflector trios. Its still 'muh G1 brand' but we'd see new characterization, dynamics and ideas emerge. Give us back guys like Tracks or the Jumpstarter or the Monsterbots or maybe the Euro G1 guys. Get Starscream arguing with oh I don't know, Skyquake and the Predators. Have the Triggercons be the flunkies who appear every episode or maybe the Battlechargers.

    Its not the most ambitious way to do it but I think even that would help a tiny bit if it was done right in a well written cartoon.
     
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    Objection! It has to be Megatron, Starscream, and Soundwave for the 'cons. There's a reason why the G1 Soundwave toy keeps getting reissued every other year.
     
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    Soundwave should stay a cassette Player. There's no point in updating him every year when the newest piece of technology comes out. Just write it off as him having an obsession with the 1980s, and that everyone thinks it's weird.
     
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    I'm already working on this concept in my series. I have Prime and Wheeljack for the Bots, Shockwave and Soundwave for the Cons, and all sorts of obscure characters from post-S3 G1 to Cyberverse to fill in the rest of the cast.
     
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    Or Soundwave ditches the tiny piece of tech alt mode.
     
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    Could always make him a lamp again.
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    Congrats you missed my entire point by going "Oh, ooh add Soundwave in there!". I say if the idea is to add Soundwave then make it bolder by removing Starscream and having someone else with a different way of doing things fill a similar-but-not-identical role.
     
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    See, I read this and then wonder why Budiansky gets such a bad rap for his Marvel comics G1 run. "Outside of the first four issues, Marvel G1 sucked until Furman took over!" they say. Unlike the cartoon, the comics not only veered away from the main heavies, they followed characters that weren't what you'd consider heavy favorites issue to issue and told some pretty good one-off stories and wildly veered from the cartoon continuity.
     
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    Honestly, I'd love if they put Shockwave in that Starscream role and really play around with both leader's differing approaches. Part of the thing with Starscream is that he's, in par, always begging for a fight above his weight class whereas Shockwave can and should be able to go toe to toe with Megatron and really make him watch his back.
     
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    Because most people in the fandom, even those who were around for G1, didn't read the Marvel stuff until later and just follow along whatever is the most common opinion on the matter?
     
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    That's why I love the Marvel run, even with some of the flaws. The focus on the more underrated characters really appealed to me.
     
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    From a marketing standpoint, at this point it would be impossible to wipe the slate clean without involving either Optimus and Megatron in some way, therefore any reset inevitably will have a semblance of what we've had before. So regardless if TFs goes away for a year or ten years, when it returns it will have all the familiar faces and story elements.
    To truly breath new life into the franchise it would need a Beast Wars-esque reset, let it run its course for as long as it remains relevant.
    I'm sure Takara would have no problems "moving on" but Hasbro not so much. From a storytelling standpoint, the japanese have no problems getting rid of characters you become emotionally attached to, in fact they want that, american audiences however want that continuity (remember that the toys are aimed at children wink wink) which is kind of the opposite of their business model since they want to sell as much toys that they can, therefore more variety=more $$$$.
    Business wise, Hasbro have the ability to be conservative and risk taking at the same time. For the toy line, you could run parallel lines like they are currently, you could have a Cyberverse-esque line take over for and be the home of the established characters and the Generations line will be the modern, bold new direction line. And with the media tie ins they can follow their current model of a Cyberverse show for the young fanbase (but also appealing to older audiences) and then have the mature show for the teen+ demo.
     
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    If transformers left for a couple of years, I'd eat my hat if when it returned it wasn't the most nostalgia pandering G1 derivative product possible save just rerunning old episodes of the G1 cartoon, unless nostalgia pandering suddenly went out of style between now and the theoretical then. Though I'd say you wouldn't have to go full reboot delete everything that came before it to breathe new life into the franchise, cause at that point it's not Transformers. It's the Brave series 2 electric boogaloo
    I think the series just needs to not be so beholden to the past, to do whatever they want with the characters and lore without having to remain consistent or referential to G1. Obviously there'd be shared elements, autobots wage their battles to destroy the evil forces of the decepticons and all that, probably with mostly similar faces/names, but if there wasn't there wouldn't be much point in sharing a brand name. So what I'm saying really, bring back the creativity of the UT, reference the past when you want to, but don't feel the need to keep everything the same.
     
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    The iconic key elements are popular and there for a reason but it wasn't that long ago that we got Animated which had enough recognizable elements to be marketable as Transformers while still being a very radical take. A sizeable chunk of the main cast were either new characters (Lugnut, Bulkhead, Sari) or pre-existing characters given a new spin (Blackarachnia, Soundwave, Ratchet, Prowl or Ultra Magnus). It was also a Transformers show explicitly not set during or before the Great War but way after.
     
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  19. Zentropy

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    I think Optimus and Megatron (and Bumblebee in particular) are indeed the anchors, but they're the problem, not the saviors. They're the equivalent that one boy/girlfriend that a person just can't seem to get past, so they hesitate to move on with their life. Honestly, the franchise could re-purpose probably 90% of the characters and remain fluid, but retaining those key "icons" simply stagnates the brand. You could re-gender half of the Seekers and swap alt modes between Powerglide and Seaspray and no one would bat an eye, but screw up Optimus's voice or delete Megatron's arm cannon and you've suddenly pissed off most of the fandom.

    I'd be more satisfied with either a completely new take (a la Beast Wars) or else the basic G1 theme with a completely different cast and refined lore, than a "soft reboot" like Animated or TFP. Beast Wars was an easy pass for me. I didn't enjoy it (on many levels) so I moved on, but that was better than being aggravated at liberties taken with core, pivotal characters like Megs and OP. Mute Bumblebee still annoys the hell out of me. I'm honestly still annoyed that Galvatron was delivered as an evolved Megatron rather than a new character in the '86 Movie. And while as a 12-year old kid it was shocking to see OP killed off, it was far worse that they later reversed position and brought him back from the dead. I mean, move on, Hasbro. You've painted yourself into a corner and there are no snacks there.
     
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    Who said he needed to be tiny? Make him giant!
     
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