Masterpiece Beast Wars Speculation Thread

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  1. lord ginrai

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    I agree. A surprise December release seems unlikely because we already have MP Skywarp coming out that month. Although I don't think 2 MP releases in the same month is unprecedented, especially when one is an exclusive.

    But yeah, it's more likely that we'll have to wait until (hopefully early) 2022 for the next BW MP release.
     
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    This would mark the first year since the introduction of BW MPs that there has not been a new figure in a whole year; 2016= Primal, 2017=Cheetor, 2018=Dinobot, 2019=Megatron & Blackarachnia, 2020=Lio Convoy & Tigatron. Definitely odd that thre doesn't look like there will be any figure at all during the 25th anniversary of Beast Wars but then again COVID could have caused production issues. After all this is the first year since 2012 where there was a 6 month gap between MP releases. For all we know there is a BW MP already fully designed/prototyped put hasn't been announced yet due to production issues slowing the releases down.
     
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    I may not be as into BW as I am with G1, but man, my heart is really hurting for those who love the BW universe.
    Having 2 BW MP releases each year has become as expected as 2 MPMs per year. It just does not seem right to not have at least 1 new character and a repaint. I would not wish the G1 MP wasteland of 2018 on anyone, but BW MP-land is currently pretty barren.
    Fingers crossed for everyone :thumb 

    I'm kind of hoping for Airazor and Rhinox myself :) 
     
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    I considered getting the MP Beast Wars toys, but they are just too big! I wanted them to scale with the MP G1 toys. Smaller ones to scale MP versions I totally would have bought, maybe they will make a MP subline that is in scale with G1 from the BW cartoon?

    If not the Kingdom versions coming out are decent for that right now, which is what I'm doing.
     
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    I think Terrorsaur will be next.
    • He's the only show character appearing in Kingdom/2021 that isn't getting his own mould
    • He's red
    • He can fly
    • He's a Predacon
     
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    It's official he isn't??
    We still need what:
    Waspinator
    Tigatron
    Tarantulas

    And they showed Polar Claw on some promotional art. I am sure I am missing others. I know Inferno won't be getting made because the G1 Inferno took his spot (which stinks so much). I don't see why we are getting almost all S1 cast, but no Terrorsaur (aside from Inferno). That's a huge shame.
     
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    What? I read he was just a deluxe, but a retool at that. Dang.

    After this lull, I can definitely see Takara going Dinobot-levels for the next BW MP. But we may just as well get something unexpected (i.e. BW Neo or Metals).
     
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    Coincidentally, they are both red colored and can fly...
     
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    I thinking what Verno is saying, is that Terrorsaur isn't getting his own mold, but is rather a remold of Airazor.

    Waspinator and Tigatron are in wave 4 of Kingdom and Tarantulas is coming next year.

    Polar Claw was cut and his place taken by Tigatron.
     
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    I can't shake the feeling that the decision to up Tigatron from a redeco of Kingdom Cheetor to his own Voyager mould had something to do with the development and release of MP Tigatron. Not totally dictated by it, but certainly influenced.
    • MP Tigatron came out first, so releasing a good Generaitons version later on isn't stepping on TT's MP toes
    • Doing MP Tigatron first means the designers on the Generations line can steal good ideas from the MP
    • Confidence in sales of the MP encourages the release of a general retail figure
    This, in turn, leads me to the thinking with Terrorsaur above. Doing a good Generations version just before releasing an MP version has the potential to harm sales. This is also perhaps why he's just a retool of Airazor, instead of his own mould.

    Just spit-ballin' in the lull.
     
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    So purposefully make a lacklustre Terrorsaur which Kingdom collectors will simply have to buy- regardless of its quality- in order to complete the set but still leave them hungry for a definitive version of the character? I can totally hear that idea getting bounced around a boardroom table so it’s definitely a possibility.

    I’m pretty much solely a part of the ‘Masterpiece demographic’ so no other lines impact my decision to buy MPs because they’re all I’m really interested.

    The point is often raised of TT exclusively catering to the Japanese market- with little consideration of the rest of the world- in relation to using Japanese only voice clips or the collective expectation that they’re unlikely to touch Transmetals. I just wonder who they consider their primary market? Is it the Japanese high end collector? They’re likely to either only buy MPs or will collect everything so a Kingdom figure would be no substitute for an MP.
    I have seen a few comments from people exclaiming that they may abandon MPs now as their main goal is just to complete the S1 cast and Kingdom let’s them do that nice and fast, for a fraction of the cost and the collection will occupy less space so it would make business sense to try and hang onto that bunch for at least one more MP purchase which may be why Kingdom is leaving out Inferno...

    Whatever the situation, I see a red Pred on the horizon.
     
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    For Polar Claw, are we talking toy line, in the show or both? If he is in the promotional art, he should still be in the show, I would assume. It really will bug me if they don't bother to make all of the characters from Kingdom as figures. Why is Tarantulas next year. I am shocked they will still be making figures for this show well into next year. Where are you getting the upcoming waves and info, if I may ask?
     
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    He very likely won't be in the show.
    The promo art is from way early in the concept stage, before they do most of the actual design work. It was just shown off because it's nice artwork, but multiple characters on it will not be appearing in Kingdom (toyline or cartoon).
    Crocodile fossilizer, Sabretooth tiger fossilizer and Gears also didn't make the cut.
    Also notice how different Ractonite looks and how many of the others are based on previous toys or cartoon appearances, as the Kingdom toys weren't actually designed yet.

    I don't have a link handy but all the info I get comes from TFW2005. We have some very reliable leakers and many of the figures have had store listings for ages.
     
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    Such a lull in news. Really hoping to fill out the S1 core 5 Predacon ranks
     
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    Seriously. It needs to happen.
     
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    MP-50 Tigatron was revealed 450 days ago and released 219 days ago. There has been no news of a new BW MP in that time, official or leaks.
     
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    My best guess (and reasons why) of who we could potentially see as the next group of Beasts to get the MP treatment.
    Repaints excluded from this list...

    Optimus Primal
    Cheetor
    Dinobot
    Tigatron


    Maximals Still to Come:

    1. Airazor - Was 3rd in my likely Maximal list... Until the universal praise of the Kingdom figure catapulted her UP the ranks.
      The MP version would likely share a LOT of the design elements, making her easier to complete start to finish.
    2. Rattrap - I only put Rattrap in front of Rhinox because the cost of producing a smaller figure is much less,
      as is the time needed to produce him.
    3. Rhinox - Eh, anything could happen. Still wish my Hard Hero statue was posable... DAMN it looks nice on my MP Beast Shelf!!!
    4. Silverbolt - Airazor gave ole Birddog a leg up in the design department, as her Kingdom wings are beautiful.
      Could be a surprise early Maximal.
    5. Depth Charge - Destined to be last of the Maximals...


    Megatron
    Blackarachnia


    Maximals Still to Come:
    1. Waspinator - Possibly the most beloved Beast left, Max or Pred. Panels for insect are MUCH easier to hide than a beast with skin/fur.
    2. Inferno - As with Waspy, most likely easier to design, and (not including his original toy) also loved by fans.
    3. Scorponok - Again, the fantastic design of the Kingdom figure could bode well, and is also a S1 cast member.
    4. Terrorsaur - The most complicated to design to look good in both modes. For that reason alone, possibly too high on this list.
    5. Tarantulas - Also complicated design wise, could benefit from the larger spider abdomen, giving designers a place to hide bot kibble.
    6. Quickstrike - Similar to Rattrap, VERY easy to design... smaller and low parts count... could rocket up the list of Preds.
    7. Rampage - Destined to be last of the Preds...
     
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    So I'm personally in the camp that says that Kingdom Airazor has no effect on MP airazor.

    I think in general, there likely exists some relationship between kingdom and MP. The engineering in one can influence the other.

    However, as good as Airazor is for the line, she absolutely does not fit in with what MP is trying to accomplish. Kingdom Airazor achieves what Kingdom is trying to accomplish, and those goals are very different with her in specific. In particular, the chest of Kingdom Airazor in beast mode is far too inaccurate. We really need a smoother, covered beast chest. Also, the robot chest also doesn't match as well. They will 100% need to cheat because the bird head changes between modes.

    Kingdom Airazor is a GREAT Kingdom toy, but I think requires to much change to work as MP. Honestly, I'm personally expecting Airazor is going to end up more like Blackarachnia, where they have a perfect robot mode, but not the best beast mode. I almost expect Kingdom Airazor to work in beast mode better for Kingdom than MP airazor beast mode to work in MP. Just because MP's goal is a lot harder, and they are going to end up focusing on getting the shape of the show right, but it'll look a bit off.

    I think Kingdom Scorponok is actually closer to achieving MP. Tweaks are 100% needed. Beast head, the robot torso, etc. But I think the basic idea behind Kingdom Scorponok will work on MP, while I think Airazor really needs a completely different approach.

    I actually think Kingdom Rhinox gives us a closer approximation to MP rhinox, especially compared to T30. That false chest is 100% a requirement to make it look right. Obviously a better headsculpt, add more posability to the rhino, get rid of the crotch-piece. But Kingdom I think provides a solid starting point.
     
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    No doubt a LOT of magic will be required to achieve the faux falcon head in Robot mode. But I think the articulation in the body itself, and especially the wings may give it a "leg" up.
    That said, I don't disagree with any of your assessments.

    I also can't see how the next two MP's aren't Preds... But they won't be asking for my opinion any time soon. :lolol 
     
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    Don't know if I should post this here but screw it.

    I am cancelling all my Masterpiece Beast Wars figures that I have in my BBTS Pile of Loot as I no longer think I can justify the price for perfect show accuracy anymore.

    I currently have MP Tigatron I got from Amazon JP and as I was transforming him last night I realized something; I was constantly afraid that I was going to break him or chip his paint. This is in contrast to my Kingdom Optimus Primal and Megatron figures that feel durable and look amazing at the same time. Yes, Kingdom Dinobot and Cheetor are not perfect representations of the original characters and I still have my gripes about them but I don't want to pay $300 for a figure I am to afraid to even touch. Plus for that money I could buy an entire year of mainline figures or put it into my other hobbies. I will probably sell my Tigatron in a few years but for right now I am going to transform him one more time and then put him back in his box.

    Don't get me wrong, I m still anticipating who they announce next for BW MPs as although I now realize they aren't for me to own I still appreciate the engineering, just from afar now.
     
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