It may not be a plot hole, but it's sure as hell unsatisfying. To introduce all these giant monsters and then just have them "taken care of" off-screen and not referenced or play a role in the immediate follow-up is lame. If you weren't going to use all these critters, don't bother introducing them.

 

I get it the story in GVK should've made sense at least, but their not trying to be MCU or even the DC cinematic universes it's just trying it's own thing and hopefully it continues either in a tv series or movie or whatever since it's making some revenue in the box office even though the story of it is been rushed.

 

Let's also keep in mind that the plans for the Godzilla film series by WB/Legendary didn't originally include Kong and I believe they only had a total of three films approved by Toho iirc. So, yeah, I'm not surprised the story is kind of a rush job when it comes to the Monsterverse. Hell, if Kong: Skull Island hadn't been shoehorned in I'm not sure you'd call it anything other than a standard movie trilogy.

 

Even if the Monsterverse wasn't planned to be a Monsterverse to begin with it's not like GvK didn't eventually had the universe find it's footing that people like and that future Monstervere content/movies won't eventually make the whole universe a lot more connected which let's face it at this point with how GvK's killing it at the box office we're gonna get more Monsterverse movies and media. It's only a matter of time before it gets announced. Legendary,WB, and Toho would have to be out of their minds not to continue the Monsterverse.

 

What ever happened to showing, not telling? They should have SHOWN the monsters going back to their chambers in this movie. This is one of the biggest issues with these MonsterVerse films, they had nothing planned out ahead of time and are just stringing things together as they went along. Even the tone of the four films is all over the place. It makes the newest Star Wars triloy look like a cohesive oil machine.

 

I kind of agree that KG was used too soon but maybe they were saving as the last kaiju as he’s more iconic. There were rumours that GvK was probably the last movie. This rumour was further intensified when KOTM didn’t do that well?

How do you guys do that chart? For me GvK would be A tier or maybe close to S tier but then again, I like GvKG ‘91! LOL!

Its not as bad as recent Star Wars...I can’t even recall if basics like how the New Order was formed.

Tbh the MV kaiju aren’t as interesting as the Japanese ones for me too.

Besides, in my head, the rest of the kaiju aren’t er, relevant in the movie. They can be doing their own things...away from the action.

 

I think it would've been silly for Legendary to make sure the audience knows where each and every monster is and what they're up to in this movie, just to satisfy the arbitrary standards of continuity-obsessed nerds. It's Godzilla vs Kong - that's why my butt is in the seat. I don't care where Behemoth or Scylla or whatever the rocky-looking one is called are. I'm invested in Godzilla and Kong's stories.

I'm glad the connections between these movies are more tenuous and that the filmmakers don't feel obligated to namedrop Rodan or King Caesar. It really does feel a lot more like the Showa era in that sense.

 

And...I am replying again. I am not good at back and forth bantering, but I think it’s great to see different views of the film.

I don’t remember all the lore of Godzilla and Kong, but I can relate to those that are troubled by some of the flaws.

I see some comparisons to the new Star Wars Trilogy. I have yet to see the third one, but I just about let those movies ruin everything Star Wars for me. That is when I stepped back and realized I don’t have to let someone else or something I don’t like take away what I have always enjoyed.

I think with this new movie they tried to slow the story down and make it simple enough to have a better direction going forward. I also hope that they do a better job at the story telling for the many of those that it’s important to as well.

I also think it’s great that even on a transformers forum people can talk about Godzilla.   

And I also hope that as everyone shares their experience, wether good or bad, that at the end of the day they can get to really enjoy the movie as much as we did.

 

This is where I’m at. Would it have been easy for someone to have a throwaway line explaining where all of the other Titans are? Sure. However, considering most of them, outside of 2 (Mothra and Rodan), are very much secondary/sideline creatures, it also doesn’t really take anything away from the film when it didn’t. It’s clear that the movie’s vision was a lazer-focused one, and it executed that extremely well.

Plus, the Dominion comic for Godzilla explaining where all the other monsters are:

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Asleep, because Godzilla told them to[\Spoiler], is enough for me.

Side note: Apparently in the novel

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, the war between Kong’s species and Godzilla was just that... Kongs vs just Godzilla... And the latter won. That’s absolutely gnarly.[\Spoiler]

 

Thanks for the heads up on the novel but

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if this present big G won the war, did it explain who the bigger (and dead) big G was? The one where the present Kong pulled out the axe, which was lodged in its dead skull?

Personally I would think that both species would occasionally have victories over the other and it got so bad until most of them died?

i think there was a “cave drawing” showing a Kong vs a big G in KOTM (?). I doubt its this present Kong as he’s too small compared to the drawing.

 

It's crazy or interesting that we are discussing about where are the other Titans? Like there Carmen Santiago or something even though others mentioned the comics and novelizations of what happened to them while the other side wants a visual explanation of it so that it makes sense to them. My gawd we're in a madhouse and I love it. LOL

 

Actually, one thing I really like about this movie and King of the Monsters is that it presents several interesting science fiction conceits (anti gravity engines, intercontinental fast transport, large facilities, skybases) without feeling the need to slam the fucking brakes on and exposition dump in my lap to explain them. It just goes 'Here is a vehicle with anti-gravity propulsion' and trusts that the audience of a science fiction movie can roll with it.

 

Insane right? Its good times! I never thought I'll live to see through this...I recall my friends and I discussing each Heisei movie when it came out and the toys that would appear at retal. Example, the original Bandai 8-innch vinyls such as Burning Godzilla, Space Godzilla etc.

Yeah, that's what I liked about this movie...in a way it felt like a fun old school science fiction movie...never thought I'll see these kind of movies again.

 

An amusing part for me is when the team is following Kong down the tunnels and Maia asks Lind about how the monkey is going to survive the gravitational anomaly awaiting them. He cheerily responds that Kong will be fine, given how huge and strong he is, and promptly explains in detail the gravity-related horrors that they'll all be very lucky to survive. To that end, the science talk is simply his way of freaking her out.

More on the point, I recollect reading in the Pacific Rim book detailing the movie's inner workings about how, during development, they had drawn much concept art for specialized aircraft for transporting the Jaegers, big ol' sky carriers and such. After all, a handful of Chinooks could never securely lift a gigantic several-thousand-ton robot as depicted in the film. In the end, these designs were scrapped, partly to save on resources, but also because holy shit you're watching a movie about people merging their minds inside a giant robot to go punch giant aliens, why on Earth are the helicopters lifting them the back-breaker?  

 

You damn right it's good times.

 

Here
https://tiermaker.com/create/godzilla-films-up-to-kotm-8091

 

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So, I currently don’t have the novel myself, unfortunately, so I’ve just been going off of what I’ve been hearing and reading from those that do. But I believe that I was a bit mistaken, as it’s apparently implied that there was indeed a war between Kong and Godzilla’s species, and that a Kong even managed to force Godzilla out of Skull Island when he was younger? I’ll probably just have to grab the novel myself at some point to be completely sure.

Not sure on the Godzilla looking bones in HW, though.[\Spoiler]

 

Wingard made a conscious decision to excise the other titans (Behemoth, Scylla, etc.) from the film. I can't find it now but he gave an interview in the past week explaining why they weren't in the film...it would have required extra scenes that didn't add much to the movie plot-wise, and the CGI expense would have ballooned. He did specifically mention that "super fans" would be disappointed by his decision, but the cost-to-benefit didn't make sense since the movie was just laser focused on Kong and Godzilla. So yeah, I also wanted them to have just even some cameos, but what he said makes absolute sense. It also explains why we see so many titans in the prequel graphic novel...it's trying to do what the movie couldn't with respect to trying to present the monsterverse as just that...a universe of sorts.

Also if you guys dig around...Wingard mentioned he shot over 5 hours of film. There are the toy leaks from earlier last year (which I had avoided until last week to avoid spoilers) which showed a "Mega Godzilla" and "Mega Kong." These toys reference a scrapped scene near the film's climax. The soundtrack however was not cut, and there is a track named "Mega" that's still in the final film. I did some reading on this and apparently the movie we have all seen is dramatically different to what was test screened even as recently as during Covid last year. They did not go to Antartica, but rather entered the Hollow Earth through Skull Island. There was also a very extended sequence in the Hollow Earth and the final climatic battle occurs not in HK, but in the Hollow Earth, and also had another kaiju/titan that we did not completely see in the theatrical film (

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a reconstituted Ghidorah was supposed to have emerged from Mechagodzilla and battle both Godzilla and Kong

). Plot elements were changed and entire roles were cut (with Lance Reddick only appearing very briefly). Apparently there are still some remnants of this earlier version in the final film: Skarsgard's character has a monarch patch on his jacket when they go to Antartica, even though it's an Apex mission and the original Skull Island entry into Hollow Earth was to have been a Monarch Mission, detailed by Lance Reddick's character. Also, there is an interview with Skarsgard where he goes into quite a bit of detail about what happened to his character's brother, which only gets cursory mention in the theatrical release. It comes off as him talking about a totally different version than the one we have seen.

 

Yeah, I liked humour it comes across as cheesy and at times just a throwback to the er, older movies that were “fun”.

I’m glad they just went totally sci-fic for this movie...I mean, G14 was er, kinda realistic in terms of weapons and equipment used.

I don’t mind ideas or concepts about the type of technology used or the HE theory...I just want to escape from reality when I watch a movie.

Yeah man! I’m just curious how the studio will move the MV and what’s the next kaiju(s).

Thanks man! I’ll check it out! The onlly movies that I er, didn’t enjoy was one of Showa era movies...about a kid being bullied etc. It had alot of stock footage.

No problem, I’m just curious and may pick the novel later. I’m curious on how certain things went in the movie...the book can provide some clarity on them.

 

I don't know, dude the sky's the limit of what they can do for the MV we'll just want to wait and see.