Falcon and Winter Soldier the Limited Series

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  1. Daelo88

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    I don't see this as a spoiler when the trailer shows him holding his mask.

    Also Winter Soldier finally kicking ass like Winter Soldier since CA:TWS
     
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    I was planning on typing more, but I was way too sleepy after watching the episode :lol 
     
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    My nitpick with this episode:

    Everything with Zemo was just too easy. Getting to him in the first place, coordinating his escape, and using his status to mingle with the criminal element. This show is like a chess game where the pieces end up two moves away each turn, without explaining what the moves were.
     
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    The only important thing that mattered this episode:
    Dancing Zemo[​IMG]

    I suppose the return of Sharon Carter and Ayo are also important. Surprised Zemo didn't run off.
     
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    Happy to have Zemo back but worried being at the halfway point there are too many characters and plot points in this miniseries
     
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    I haven't totally thought this through, but my gut says Sharon is the Power Broker.
     
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    Yessssss omg that ending!

    I actually really liked this episode. I never in a million years expected to see Sam and Bucky
    team up with Zemo, I had no idea that was going to happen and it was even more surprising to see how on the level he was the whole time. I realize he’s no Red Skull but man. I was shocked nonetheless seeing him as a decent ally. Obviously he’ll eventually turn but yeah. Zemo is really cool, and it’s cool that he really is a Baron. And that he likes Trouble Man and Sam agreed with him :lol  Using Bucky as their entry ticket/bodyguard was cool and also frightening to see how Bucky indeed got right back to it.

    Sharon returning as a bitter, broken woman was cool. She did seem so nice and “innocent” before Cap kissed her and got her on the run, so I get why it broke her. And damn she was a beast.

    Walker again shows why he’s not fit to be Cap, Steve would’ve never screamed about who he was or lost his temper over that. Seems Lamar might end up pulling out since Walker’s darker side is coming out.

    So great to see Ayo! But now I have to wonder since this show was made prior to Chadwick’s passing, will they refer to T’Challa? Maybe they’ll dance around it like they’re doing with Steve, but this is a different situation.

    Super crazy episode and I dug it. Just need to tone down the bickering in bad situations for it.
     
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    Good episode, not enough John Walker and the Bucky / Sam dynamic is getting a little old. They need to figure out who the fuck they are. Buck the fuck up and be Falcon and Winter Soldier already. This team up is taking forever.
     
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    One of the things I really like about John Walker is that he's a complex character. In the comics, he was a bad Captain America, but he was still a good person. He did some bad things, because he thought he needed to follow orders like a good soldier, but in the end he was also the one who convinced Steven to become Cap again.
    I really hope they keep his character balanced, and not just have him become an antagonist.
     
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    Another thing that irks me besides Sam flying a mile high up with no damn respirator is Winter Soldier with tiny left arm in a jacket. Do the people in charge not give a shit about aesthetics?
    It seems like the same team who did Misty Knights right arm for the Netflix show.
     
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    This episode irked me. BADLY. It felt very "Game of Thrones" season 8. People just got where they needed to be and talked with whom they needed to talk, no matter how hard doing so should have been.

    - I can accept hand-waving away allowing Sam in to see Zemo, him being an Avenger and all, and maaaaaybe that buys him some clout to bring his assassin friend with him. But that Bucky can just waltz into the prison general population and start a riot, and that riot is sufficient for Zemo to just walk out? Horsefeathers. Right off the bat, I'm in a bad mood.

    - Sam: TURN OFF YOUR CELL PHONE BEFORE GOING DEEP UNDERCOVER!!! I was screaming at the TV when his phone rang. Perhaps the stupidest moment in the entirety of the MCU.

    - Zemo's drivers just showing up out of nowhere immediately after the plot-advancing conversation is finished. I guess he's a baron, and called a car in advance, but it pulling up in the middle of a giant bridge was just suspicious.

    - I don't buy the Sharon situation. At all. The idea that Steve would just leave her in the wind is ludicrous. You want to claim that Steve didn't know? That dog won't hunt. I find it laughable that Steve wouldn't have known her whereabouts, and wouldn't immediately try to set things right with her after the blip (when he was apparently back in the good graces of whatever was left of the US government). You're telling me he had five years to fix it but just didn't? #NotMySteve

    I don't know. Maybe I was spoiled by Winter Soldier - tight plotting and lots of thought going into all the cloak-and-dagger spy stuff. This feels like a soap opera writer trying to talk a stab a super-spy thriller, but just doesn't have the tools required to plot out the details, so just ignores the "how" and "why." Which in spy thrillers is most of the point. Is it possible that it will all make sense in the end? Maybe. But I'm losing confidence in the ability of this writing staff to pull it off.
     
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    This feels more like Jason Bourne lately than Marvel.

    Only instead of nobody knowing who Jason Bourne is, he should be a super-celebrity for saving half the universe, which makes the whole plot implausible.

    I'm sorry, I can't get past that plot point. These guys shouldn't be able to hide in plain sight without some kind of covering or whatever that was Black Widow used to take on the appearance of someone else in Captain America 2.
     
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    To your point, this article ain't wrong:

    'Falcon and the Winter Soldier': Steve Rogers Really Screwed Sharon Over
     
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    Yeah, I’m afraid they’re going to lean on the lazy saw of pooping on legacy characters to make new characters look better by comparison. Rather than living up to bright ideals, if you tear those ideals down, you don’t have to live up to as much. Heck, Zemo practically said as much already.

    Y’all, please prove me wrong.
     
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    I think its just law of conservation of detail coming back to bite, along with frankly, Sharon Carter not being popular in the MCU and them deciding to just forget about her. Except that was a decision made in isolation of the movies. Now we're doing TV, some stuff is getting answered and they're just not getting amazing answers.
     
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    I wasn't expecting the zemo teamup, but I'm not surprised by it. He will betray them at some point, we all know this. Overall the show itself just has a couple of cool and fun moments but the writing/story telling is just super lazy. The best part of this episode was Zemo's car collection.

    I'm not sure what to think of Sharon at this point. She's clearly bitter that she was left in the wind, and now she's selling stolen art on the black market? That's a pretty big departure. It's clearly lucrative too, but to what end?
     
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    Damn, it's about time...

    we saw Madripoor in live-action form. I haven't seen that shithole of a city since the old Wolverine comics.
     
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    I buy it because of the chaos that the snap would have created. Steve doesn't know if she's ash or not and she doesn't know if Steve is ash or not...what's more, while Steve knows exactly what's going on and why the snap occurred, the rest of the world didn't - including her. Imagine the worldwide civilian reaction to the snap absent knowledge of Thanos. Just absolute chaos and confusion. It's very easy to imagine a scenario where Steve tried to reach out to her, but was unable to for any number of reasons because of that chaos. And after one or two failed attempts, Steve might have just assumed she was ash because that's a perfectly logical conclusion to make.
     
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    I think you’re starting with a flawed premise. You are assuming that Steve already cut Sharon loose. That for the two years between Civil War and Infinity War, Steve abandoned his friend, someone without whom he and Bucky would not have escaped. She risked everything to help them, and Steve dropped her like she meant nothing to him. That’s what I mean about retroactively tarnishing Steve’s legacy. That sort of callous disregard of a friend is completely out of line with everything else we’ve seen him do. I don’t buy for a second that Sharon wasn’t with Steve after Civil War. That notion is preposterous, but the writers demand we accept it for this show to happen.

    And for what? Are you telling me they couldn’t set up the situation in similar fashion without making Steve Rogers, the previous Captain America and ideal motivating almost every character on this show, into a hypocritical butthole? Again, I really hope I’m wrong, but this smells of tearing down the old stuff so the new stuff looks better by comparison.
     
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    But they're both on the run at that point. Steve's not in a position to help her. They very well might have been in contact and maybe even had some adventures together during those two years, but with both of them as fugitives. But obviously at some point they went separate ways because she's not with his group in Infinity War. And Steve can't clear her name until after the snap, at which point it's easy to justify why they might not have connected, despite him trying and having the best of intentions.

    The worst you can say about Steve is that he didn't toss in a "Find Sharon, clear her name" line when he handed the shield off to Falcon in Endgame...but that's not this show's fault.