Fred and Billy from Armada are like Wario and Waluigi

Cyberverse is a good show

First 3 bay movies are good

Cyberverse Optimus has a good voice while Netflix Optimus has a shit voice

RID15 technically doomed cyberverse’s toyline by scrapping deluxe, voyager, etc

Trukk and Monke

 

Except that's not necessarily what is meant by auteur. Bay's influence on the tone, style, and look of the movie is so great, it's almost as if the project was entirely his. Even if he didn't write it, it's known much more as a Michael Bay movie than a Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman movie.

So he would qualify as an auteur. Not a good one, but he does fit the definition.

 

Auteurs are directors with a very intense and influential, often visual [but not exclusively] style. And he is a good director. Making a movie is very, very hard, and Michael Bay is very, very good at it. He gets a lot of shots that are not only very hard to get right but that most directors wouldn't even bother attempting. Michael Bay's favorite film is West Side Story, and he actually repeats a lot of shots, from the way Optimus Prime fights, to even shot-for-shot recreations of West Side Story in Transformers (1, 2, and 3).

So he is a good director. People who think that he isn't are just, well, frankly wrong. His movies might not appeal to your personal tastes, but that's not the same as evaluating someone's artistic abilities (and I really need to hammer that home because while the latter is "an opinion", dismissing his work as bad is not just an opinion). He has those. I think a valid criticism you can make of Michael Bay is he is very much in it for the money. Usually, directors like him do a lot more passionate projects, with limited budgets and limited returns, and outside of Pain and Gain he has never really even attempted to do that.

 

And this is why bayformer fans go extinct

 

Here's a video about auteur theory and how it applies to Michael Bay, if anyone's interested:

 

Lol, ah yes the professional culture critics.

Here's a better video if you're looking for information on the topic.

 

Well i still consider his TF movies bad, maybe it´s not necessarily because of him(after all a bunch of different writers were involved in these movies)but it definetely had some of his hand in it.

 

What do you mean?

 

Yeah, and again, they aren't bad. Michael Bay is just a very cynical director, in my opinion. He believes, contrary to (for example) my favorite auteur Stanley Kubrick, that if he makes a movie with "tits, ass, fart jokes, American flags, and explosions" that people will watch his movies. He also probably sees movies purely as entertainment. And you know what [throws a bunch of papers in the air] his bank account sure vindicates that. Yes, people like Stanley Kubrick would probably hate him because in their mind it's movies that are deep, powerful, and profound that ultimately stand the test of time, and land you in the annals of history (and that's also true because Age of Extinction is probably not going to end up on AFI's top 100).

I'm not going to pretend like I don't understand the utility of culture criticism, but it's the low-hanging fruit of the lazy.

 

Actually she makes a very similar argument to yours, that Bay is very much an auteur. Her video that follows the one posted goes more into the aspects of his filmmaking style that can lead to the actual stories in his films being kinda hard to follow.

 

This I have to disagree with. Exactly what shots wouldn't most directors with a budget in the hundreds of millions not attempt?

Actually, I'd say that's the least valid criticism lobbied at Bay. Of course he's in it for the money. Directing is his job. He should want to get paid for his work and paid well. His movies make hundreds of millions of dollars.

More valid criticisms would be his overreliance on spectacle at the cost of story or pacing. Or his wildly confusing editing that ignores space and distance. Or constantly framing female characters (despite their characterizations) as sex objects to be gawked at.

Bay does get movies done and makes a lot of money. So he is a good director in that sense. However, McDonalds also makes billions of dollars. That doesn't translate to great quality of its product. And don't get me wrong: I loved McDonalds and have given them a lot of my money. But I don't place it in the same category as high end restaurants. Just as I've enjoyed several of Bay's movies, but I don't place him in the same category as other directors.

Objectively, Bay makes a lot of money. Subjectively, he doesn't make great movies.

 

Indeed people did go watch these movies, even me as a kid(ROTF, DOTM and AOE)and the majority of them were commercially successful, this doesn´t mean they are good narrative works though.

 

I really don't understand what you're trying to say here. This seems like a perfectly valid form of discussion, not "lazy" by any means.

 

Lol, maybe I should have stuck it out then. I tend to just avoid those channels. In my opinion, I kind of don't want to hear an opinion from someone who can't or hasn't done it themselves.

 

How so?

 

Lindsay Ellis actually has a lot of knowledge in the department of film theory. I really recommend her channel, all her videos are really interesting.

 

She also has a film degree. And she's actually a fairly big Transformers fan. Her second video has a Starscream/Megatron smutfic gag. Hell I saw her at TFCon LA a couple years ago.

 

I believe she's a published author as well.

 

She also has a Transformers toy sitting in the background of pretty much every video   It's so cool that you saw her at TFCon!

She is! Axiom's End is the name of her book.

 

I mean, I didn't meet her or anything, just saw she was in the dealer room.