I just kinda want a show that tells a good story that doesnt take itself seriously entirely, for example animated and prime were good shows ( my opinion ) because they were serious and there was sad moments but it also cracked jokes from time to time.

 

Nah-ah! I will be the first to admit I often declared shows to be terrible based on animation style or what franchise they were related to. I for example, never cared about Ninjago because the first clips I saw looked bad and what I read about the storyline seemed dumb. Wasn't until Season 3 or so that I actually started watching from the beginning, and realized how deep the storylines are and how well they developed the characters over the many seasons. There is a reason the show has been around for a decade now.
The other cases were Dreamworks related... I absolutely did not like Shrek and found Madagascar boring. I also did not care about the Penguins show. So when All Hail King Julien started I just rolled my eyes expecting it to be terrible. Little did I know it would become one of my favourite comedy shows ever. Same with The Adventures of Puss in Boots, which I even rewatched several times now, it's the perfect mix of adventure and comedy with some very memorable voice acting.

Basically what I learned from this, now I check what shows the creators worked on/created before, and don't make a judgement based on animation style or basic plot alone. RID did not sound like much either, based on the premise, and it was a spinoff of Prime, a show I did not like, yet I enjoyed that show a lot.

Not really. She-Ra is mentioned because much like Teen Titans Go, it has only very rudimentary connections to its predecessor. I mean, we have a She-Ra who doesn't even transform or change significantly, everyone is aware of her identity. Her powers don't come from Greyskull, they are related to some alien superweapon. Hordak is an extremely ineffective and weak villain now who constantly fails and is just doing all this to impress big brother. The world is totally unlike the old Etheria. Apart from Cat-Ra,Scorpia and Shadow Weaver, nobody from the classic Evil Horde even shows up (Grizzlor was in the background a few times I think?). Overall if you remove the character names and just make it some generic "space fantasy princess" show... it would not even be recognizable as ever being intended as She-Ra. I have the same issue with TTG - Raven for example, is mostly not gloomy or cynical, and does the same pranks and nonsense everyone else. She has none of the old version's personality. Again, if you remove the DC universe "skin" from the show, this could have easily been any other comedy series.
I feel that these writers are simply selling their own, original characters/plots, and put a recognizable property's "skin" on it so they can sell it to the producers. It's never like a proper revival show, like TF Animated or Thundercats 2011 or MOTU 2002 or Spectacular Spiderman were, where the writers started off with "how can we make these classic characters new and different yet still recognizable again?" Instead it's "I have this idea, what existing property I can leech off to use as a disguise for my show so I can market it better?"
Those above shows came from a place of love, where the creators knew about and loved the old shows and wanted to revive them for modern audiences. The others... their creators often never even seen or knew anything about the old shows, or outright hated them in some cases.

LOL! That's utterly untrue...
I still remember how much Denver the Last Dinosaur I had to suffer through because that damn show was always aired before Transformers on Sky One.
Or Doug and Hey Arnold, shows I only watched when I had absolutely nothing else going on (sorry, I know some people love them, they bored me to tears).
Let's also not forget about the truly horrendous stuff like Rubik the Magic Cube. Or the upteenth Hanna Barbera "talking animal+wacky situations=instant comedy!" show (there were sooo many of those). And I still remember to this day seeing that episode of Captain Planet where an evil rat man tried to get kids to hate their classmate because he had HIV... I mean, what the hell was that...
There were also shows that weren't bad or amazing, they were just... OK, but so cookie cutter or knockoffs of other better shows, that most people forgot them by now. Centurions, Dreamstone, BOTS Master, C.O.P.S., Challenge of the Gobots, Caddilacs and Dinosaurs, Mummies Alive... or how about the million TMNT ripoffs? C.O.W. Boys of Moo Mesa, Biker Mice from Mars, Extreme Dinosaurs, Street Sharks, Mighty Ducks, the list goes on. I still remember them 'cause they were memorable for a good intro or a character I recall but that's all.

That's a good comparison. It was full on drama and relationships all the time, and they sometimes remembered "oh yeah we are supposed to be an action show" every few episodes...

Wait She-Ra had toys??? I never seen any, and I even looked them up a few times while the show was on. My understanding was Mattell was not interested in doing a toyline for the show.
EDIT: Huh, guess they released a grand total of 5 figures that looked more like modified Barbie dolls and not like the show's style... and in late 2019, after the show was already over.
He-Man.org > Toys > She-Ra and the Princesses of Power

 

Yeah, YA is another popular punching bag because it's becoming a genre enjoyed by predominantly young women.

How dare an animated show tailor itself to something popular with its target audience.

 

I wonder if they got that idea out of The Next Mutation, because it worked so well there.  
I mean I did like the new designs but it essentially made them foster brothers.
The biggest problem was though that everyone was "slight variation of Mikey". Raph was tough badass jokester Mikey, Donnie was smart nerdy jokester Mikey... and well, Leo was just Mikey, period. He and Mikey were basically the same character except he seems to have inherited 2003/2012 Mikey's "constantly keeps talking even when he shouldn't" trait, which Rise Mikey no longer had.

I think it has more to do with how some of the most popular YA novels are like... hot garbage? It all started after Harry Potter when we had knockoffs coming out of the woodworks with cringefests like Eragon or Circus of Horribles, and then stuff like Twilight, Hunger Games and 50 Shades of Grey? My half-brother was that age category and he was into these, so I had to experience a lot of such novels, movies and shows through him. And I have to say, apart from The 100 (the show) and Percy Jackson (the books though the movies were OK too) I never cared for any of them. They all follow certain cliches, and are incredibly easy to predict, and tend to get really boring after the upteenth time. I read Hunger Games as a promise to a female friend who loved it, and boy I could barely get through the first one.

 

You're...not helping your cause with statements like this.

... especially when you don't even know what's YA and what isn't.

(Also worth noting that it's ironic to rip on YA because you think all the successful stuff sucks when the most successful TF in years was the Bayverse.)

 

Last I checked I have no cause, dude. I have opinions. I share them. I am not building a barricade and campaiging against this show.  
Twilight was YA last I checked, and 50 Shades was originally a Twilight fanfic, also last I checked. It certainly wasn't made for elderly ladies...

That'd be a great idea. I long had this idea too, maybe it should be in the vein of Pinky and the Brain? Shockwave or Megatron comes up with some master plan, and then through the bungling of his dumb minions, it all goes up in flames...  
... Though, to be frank, Beast Wars already did this. Most of BW Megatron's troops were not very smart or downright crazy. All the ones who were intelligent (Blackarachnia, Tarantulas, Dinobot) eventually left his service or betrayed him.

Guess you never seen Pinky and the Brain, Invader Zim, Kid vs Kat?

Agreed there. Prime tried to be all epic and had some good ideas, but it felt like the writers were afraid to upset the almighty status quo. Whenever something interesting happened (Dreadwing defecting, Starscream having an identity crisis, Optimus dying and giving the Matrix to Smokescreen, Predaking breaking free of the Decepticons, Airachnid creating a vampire army) the writers seemed to have gotten scared and backpedalled everything instantly to where it all was. It also suffered from a tiny budget, thus we only had very few character models and almost no humans around even when they go to New York.  
I frankly liked RID2015 and Cyberverse far more than Prime.

 

When I was younger, YA was for teens 13-16. From what I have heard, today it is more for people over twenty who can't handle being adults. But please, continue your faux outrage at me for sharing my wife's opinion on a show which she described to me as having as messed up relationships as Twilight.

I have never watched She-Ra, the old one or the new. I am relying on my wife's opinion on the show, since she loved the original (and Sailor Moon, funnily enough), but absolutely hates the new version. If she describes it as crap, I will take her word for it.

 

I mean, no. Because "YA" is young adults.

Also, weird that anyone on a Transformer forum like this would knock any adult for enjoying something intended for younger audiences...

 

YA was for teens because at the time there was only children and adult books. It was created to bridge the gap, and why teen novel and YA is still used interchangeably.

Holy tilting at windmills, batman, no one is doing that. We are trashing YA novels for being crap, not for adults liking children properties. If you can't see why people dislike stuff like Twilight or other modern YA novels, it's on you.

The problem with you and others is the idea that you can't enjoy something that is bad. Even if you think something is crap, you can still like it. I enjoy a couple of cultivation comics, and I know they are not very good. That is okay, however, because I still find them entertaining. Sometimes you want art, but sometimes you want a pure, dumb, entertainment.

 

Hopefully it's enjoyable. More Transformers cartoons is a good thing. I've never been a fan of Nickelodeon but hopefully it'll be an enjoyable cartoon for all ages.

 

It couldn't possibly be funnier than Siege and Earthrise.
The fourteenth time Megatron slowly said "End this war" I literally LOL'd.
And the way they sway their hips when they walk SWISH, SWISH, SWISH -it's grand comedy.

 

No, the problem is you're taking the argument away from the original point.

A bunch of adults on a TF forum have decide that modern cartoons all suck and their evidence is that they don't like it.

But, oddly enough, anytime you ask someone what an example of good is... it's always from when they were kids. But oddly enough, that changes based on the age of the person.

Kids who grew up during UT hold it up as a gold standard but G1/BW fans will typical point to those instead and many think UT sucks.

Now people are like "All YA sucks!" and they're lumping in stuff that isn't YA because "oh YA is now the genre for immature adults..." Without a hint of irony.

I even used my own experience as an example. I hated the Bayformers movies, but clearly they connected with mass audiences because they got five movies, a pseudo prequel/reboot and were a major element in shaping the stories of TF on TV for over a decade.

All you're doing is preloading your own argument so no matter how successful these shows may be, you can write them off because "people like bad things."

But since this started because someone wanted to lump 50 Shades in as YA....why am I even wasting time with you?

 

I just want it to be good. Not too adult, not too childish, Something in the zone of Prime would be fantastic.

Just anything that isn't bad would be welcome. We haven't had a good TF Show since Prime.

 

No, someone said that a cartoon you liked sucked and you got angry about it and started strawmanning the rest of the forum.

Half of the crap you brought up was old as well. I don't watch a lot of modern cartoons, except for with the kids, but there's some decent ones like Gumball, Ducktales, and Avatar. A lot of them do suck, however, and will be forgotten like the majority of cartoons from our childhoods.

I believe that they called it YA fanfiction, which is what it started out as: Twilight fanfiction.

Because you're upset someone disagrees with you?

 

I'm gonna go ahead and quibble over this.

Spoiler: Rise Spoilers

Baron Draxum mutated the turtles with ooze made from Hamato Yoshi's DNA so technically they are biologically related and in a roundabout way Splinter is their biological father.

 

What I wouldn't give for a prime style of show again. Getting sick of the teen Titan go formula. Hints all the crappy reboots of old shows, just want things to be good again.

 

Perhaps, but every network does it. Stuff is either pressured to be sillier to supposedly appeal more to kids, or it’s cancelled for being too mature and not making ratings with kids. Big Hero 6 the Series got neutered in its final season because Disney wanted more comedy over serialized plots and drama. Teen Titans Go Vs Teen Titans. Avengers Assemble Vs Avengers: Earth’s Mightiest Heroes. Thundercats Roar. Nick was pressuring the creators of Korra to have less talking and more action and jokes (which they didn’t get).

That’s not always the case, though. Animated was asked to tell more mature stories in its final season to go along with other content Cartoon Network had back then like The Clone Wars. But generally networks will push for something comedic over something serialized just about every time.

If this really does strike a tone like Rise of the TMNT I am down. My one complaint about Rise was that, being more of an origin story, it didn’t feature as much of the classic lore (though the Battle Nexus returning was a massively delightful surprise). Which is fine, massive props to them for really doing something different and original, that’s a massive strength of the show. But at the same time, as good as they do their stuff you kinda want to see how they do old stuff if they did Shredder and the Battle Nexus so well.

The same here. I would give massive props to any show for having the balls to not have, say, Optimus and Bumblebee, or Peter Cullen as Optimus, but at the same time you want to see how these wizards handle it.

 

Can’t wait for all the important lessons we’ll learn and tuneless songs we’ll sing together.

 

If this show winds up being better then we expected(like how Cyberverse turned out for some), I’ll be all for it.

I guess what’ll set the tone will be the first look...

 

I think you're half right.

They'd rather have episodic shows than serials because episodic stuff is easier for younger kids to find and consume with modern outlets like Netflix and Youtube.

If a kid doesn't have to worry all that much about episode order, the show will feel more accessible. It's why for a time Power Rangers was primarily episodic, but then would stuff something that contributed to an overall arc in the first or last few minutes. Younger kids got their mostly episodic content, but that thread of continuity was there for anyone interested to follow.

That's similar to what Cyberverse did in it's first season with the flashbacks being the core of the episode with a serialized wrapper, and then as it caught on it got more serialized throughout.

People judged Cyberverse early, but by the time it wrapped it was dealing in alternate universes, a Matrix-esque fake reality situation, and pulled in obscure characters like Rack n' Ruin and *TARN* of all people.

It also introduced guys like Thunderhowl and Wildwheel who could make for interesting roster additions down the road (especially if they do more with Wildwheel's alt to fit his bot mode).

And now it sounds like Combiners are going to appear. So that'll be fun!