FANS HOBBY MB-15 Naval Commander (Armada Optimus Prime)

Discussion in 'Transformers 3rd Party Discussion' started by blitzjoans, Dec 15, 2018.

  1. svek

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    Yeah I'm still hoping for the best for everyone :)  This is going to be my first toy from FH so I don't know what to expect.
     
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    After collecting these things for 36.5 years, I've found that mass-produced products of this type rarely have "isolated" issues. Isolated issues do happen, but it's rare.

    I've found that manufacturers who blame the user for problems in their product often make the worst products. I agree that FH is one of the top 3P companies out there (I'm a big fan of theirs). One of the reasons they're so great is that they blame themselves for problems, not their customers. The best products work for everyone, not just meticulous manual-readers with a delicate touch.
     
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    Your totally true, but then again, there is bobby skullface whom i watched a revieuw off Studio Cell unicron, and he totally manhandles it, snapping of pieces and tabs. Like he didn't research at all how it transforms.
    Some collectable toys do need a light touch.
     
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  4. dmarsee

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    As a happy owner of 5 FH figures, this issue is quite uncommon for them. I don't know if I've ever seen them have an issue like this specifically. They're in the top 3 most dependable 3P manufacturers on the market, IMO. Up there with MMC and NewAge.
     
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  5. Nova Maximus

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    Yeah this does seem to be a first for them in terms of QC for the figures, but that plus them already starting plans to help with people's copies once they get back up and running rather than just saying "get the next batch" hasn't made me lose any faith in them at all.
     
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  6. dmarsee

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    IDK. If BSF is the only human whose toys broke, I'd agree with that. But something tells me he's not the only one who has had problems with that figure.

    What you're saying is accurate. But why must toys require a light touch? Is there something in their "adult collectability" that force them to be brittle, or have poor tolerances, or mushy plastic? If FansHobby (or MMC, or NewAge) has shown us anything, is that you can have awesome figures that don't snap in two when transforming them.
     
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    Well this decides it, going with the second run personally.
     
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  8. Hoffman

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    Because ahigher level of details and functionality will inherently lead to more fragility.
    And these aren't 'toys'. They aren't designed to be played with aggressively like a child. Why do you think Hasbro products result in so many detail compromises? They have to pass certain safety and breakability tests that these things don't have to. So yes, the adult collectability absolutely is a factor in how you handle them.
     
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  9. Counterpunch?

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    I really like FH. That being said, there is no way that rectifying this outside of a second production run isn't a months long saga. It's not the end user's job to sort this out. Retailers shouldn't even ship these out if most/all buyers are going to need to replace parts or whole components.
     
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  10. Verthawk

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    I’ll wait for the reviews. IF this is the only issue AND If the chest can be easily switched out/fixed, then I’ll keep my preorder with BBTS. It’s a great looking figure and I really like FH
     
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    I guess it spends on the details. This hinge/pin issue doesn't seem to be about "higher details" at all.

    It's a hinge. It's supposed to be rotated. Something tells me these hinges aren't being thrown across the room by a six-year-old.

    IDK. If you're talking about Hasbro Mainline stuff, detail is often lower to keep part-counts down and amount-of-plastic-used down to keep prices down. Has/Tak's designers talk about that all the time. Just look at the Hasbro CW Devastator vs the Takara one. The biggest different in the "detail" is the part count and paint applications, none of which make the Takara "aDuLt CoLLeCtiBLe" more brittle.
    Compare Hasbro's mainline to MP-10. When they have a higher price-point, they can have way more parts. It still seems pretty solid to me. Not a lot of parts breaking off that I'm aware of. But I could be wrong.
    This idea that "detail requires brittleness" is more about correlation than causation. Thin-ness causes brittleness. Detail isn't required to be thin.

    Again, I'm not saying that "aDuLt CoLLeCtiBLeS" aren't brittle. Many of them will break if you handle them poorly. But that was a choice (or oversight) made by the designer to let it be brittle. Plenty of awesome, detailed, pose-able, [insert cool thing here], figures don't break when you look at them funny. MMC, MakeToys, NewAge, Iron Factory, they *all* have great detail. And they don't break in half.
     
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    I wasn't talking about this specific issue at all. I was responding to your general statement about handling 'toys' with care.

    This isn't a case of what I described. This is a quality issue thst FH has acknowledged.
     
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    Guys, in my opinion, you should be more forgiven and give more credit to FansHobby.
    Almost as soon as I forwarded the post yesterday that this chest might be a wider issue, FH already posted on facebook they will take responsibility and fix it for all users .

    Let's compared to what happened in XTB's Kup's QC nightmare:
    XTB Boss said in the QQ group smugly: it's fine to have some regrets in our product, we don't want to beat FT, we want to leave some room for FT.

    Then lots of Chinese reporting QC issue.

    XTB Boss said in the QQ group again: We will take responsibility for what happened, a recall is in internal discussion.

    Then later on XTB facebook: recall is pure rumour, only one small piece falls off and you can glue it back.

    Then all user in the QQ group are muted.

    Now lots of NA users reporting QC issue, and XTB pretend nothing happened.​
     
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    I'm glad they're stepping up so fast on this. That said, I've got some nerve damage in my hand, so I'm not really good with modding and kitbashing, so I'll wait for a second run if the repair ends up being too involved. Or if they don't do another run, I'll just find the original Armada toy on eBay, which is about the same cost. Especially if the trailer gimmick still works.

    Every Bobby Skullface review is like watching Baltmatrix transforming SS Bumblebee. Just expect something to break.
     
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    I own the original armada
     
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    I wonder whats causing the cracks? An uneven surface on the hinge? Maybe shaving the parts down a bit will help alleviate the issue until the replacement parts show up.
     
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  18. Kaynowa

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    Sounds like the pin was a hair too thick for the joint
     
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    ah, guess i'll try popping the pins out then. no point in letting the parts go to waste, even if fixes come.
     
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  20. RoboW4rrior298

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    I have some spare pins from other junker figures and hobbies I might just try punching them out and putting some smaller ones in for the time being to see if that helps? It could genuinely just be the thickness of the plastic on the joint in combination with oversized pins too considering they’d need clearance to move past other parts repeatedly. Designer oversight I’m sure but I’m still staying with the first run. I might even get a second run to keep MISB.