Reiterate? `` It`s not real ?``, Do you mean it`s not Live Action? Srry , I`m an utter dits today ..lol.

 

Might as well call it. Transformers how to kill your franchise

 

What they mean is, it's "fake" as in it's a bit of quite literal fake news, from a disreputable """news""" site called The Illuminerdi. Aside from the title and synopsis sounding pretty fan-concocted when you think about it for a longer length of time, it's also easy to determine it's fake because of the news from Deadline last year, first in May that there were two Transformers live-action scripts in development (one being a Beast Wars movie, and one being a more direct Bumblebee followup), and several months later that year that, in addition to landing Steve Caple Jr. as director and being scheduled to start filming sometime later this year, that the Bumblebee followup had been the one selected to be made first. The Illuminerdi article, however, claims that this "Beast Alliance" movie is the one being directed by Steve Caple Jr. and scheduled to start filming later this year, which doesn't match up with the far more reputable news from Deadline.

 

As in it's fake news. No sources provided and goes against information we've known for months. Why the modes front paged this only a half hour after it was posted is beyond me.

 

I was watching some videos covering this just cause I was wondering what tf youtubers had to say and I keep hearing something that I also hear on this board that is making me want to pull my hair out that needs to be pointed out...

this is not the beast wars movie

I keep hearing people say it over and over even the news page for it on this site that the article was talking about the beast wars script, the article never says this is the beast wars film nor that it uses the James Vanderbilt script, it clearly states its using the script by Joby Harold, the article does talk about beast wars near the end but only because they're speculating off of the subtitle of the next film "beast alliance", if this was the beast wars film it would either be "beast wars" or "transformers: beast wars". and lets look at that subtitle, "beast alliance" alliance with who? I wonder who the "beasts" would be aligning with considering this takes place a few years after bumblebee, hmmmmmmmmm

 

the mental gymnastics in play to try to pretend this article isn't complete speculation passed off as actual news, my god

 

please tell me what film journalists need to show you to make you differentiate inside sources from pure speculation, do they need to expose their insiders? if you compare about track record i have repeatedly given examples of stuff their insiders have accurately leaked details of various shows/films and i couldn't find ANY journalists sites leaking that info prior to them BUT I admit I could be totally wrong, I don't have any invested interest in the illuminerdi, i didn't even know who they were before yesterday, all I ask is for proof that their accurate leaks where stolen from other journalists

 

lmao

 

idk what to say, i try to be nice but it's hard interacting with people so dense

 

iunno what to tell you man, i just can't figure out a way to convince someone who seems so ready to believe and defend a news site they've just heard of hours ago, based on some extremely quick "research" to determine their credibility that seemed to miss many, many factors that would affect the outcome, all i can do is laugh

 

Firstly I spent about 1-2 hours of digging through their articles yesterday to determine whether or not they're reliable and before I did I was totally in your position, a site I never heard of before called the ILLUMINERDI saying the bumblebee sequel is secretely a bw crossover?!? Of course I was incredibly skeptical of their claim at first. Again if you can PROVE they are an unreliable source when it comes to film/show leaks I will happily admit I'm wrong.

Also can we just move on from this, I don't mind disagreeing but I'm just not interested in attacking each other anymore

 

With there being so much fake news these days and news media being biased(it isn’t solely in one direction BTW), I’m hesitant in believing the article. For now, I will be indifferent. I will wait until more news comes out on whether this is actually happening.

 

Haha you don't mince words.

Great due diligence by the way, I wouldn't have had the patience to do that research.

Can't wait to see the reaction when/if more leaks come out supporting this theory.

In terms of Toys:
The scale issues fall away a bit if any of the below things are true.

• It's the kids mainline so they don't care about scale.
• The smaller animals are targetmasters for the traditional Bots/Cons.
• It's a new series/reboot and mass-shifting is back on the menu.

Suffice to say I wouldn't be surprised if we start hearing @Verno playing guitar riffs in the distance soon.

 

If the blocky giant G1 Toys on Cybertron "did well" in the Bumblebee movie, why not Beast Wars?

 

i want everyone in this thread entertaining the possibility that this news is legit to think about how many times they've heard the word "Alliance" in titles of fake fan-concocted synopses/etc. like this before, and contrast that with the amount of times they've actually seen a movie released with "Alliance" used like it is in those titles

hint: one's much more than the other

 

My god. Don’t tell me I was right about the hair-ball shooting cat. While my cynicism has pooled to a near pudding-thick bile from years of film development - my heart can only take so much (;

 

Hah I hope not, that feels more like Bayverse humour tbh.

In my opinion anything that is more kid/family focused, but still action oriented can only help the franchise - especially outside the US where parents mentioned they didn't like/let their kids watch the films as they weren't age appropriate.

I haven't kept up with the film industry scene for a while now, but that PG-13 action adventure zone is pretty empty right?

 

Nothing will be as messy, nonsensical and confusing as the Japanese G1 continuity, but I’m glad that the Americans are trying to top it!

 

It depends. (My answer for a great many things I’m afraid.)

In my opinion, the gold-standard for what we consider to be the prototypical Merchandise-Blockbuster was firmly established with Burton’s Batman in ‘89. Of course we can also lump in Star Wars and Indiana Jones. I omit Superman because it is an outlier in content. Batman, Star Wars, and Jones all contain content that’s pretty gruesome. (I have nothing against that by the way).

Fast forward to Lord Of The Rings which also shares a PG-13 experience that was geared towards families, with Potter being a lighter (but still dark) franchise. Also don’t forget the original X-men films that had their fair share of scary moments (a melting senator, stabbing, limb removal).

All this to say - that then we get the Bay films. And yikes. The first one was a mess. The second one was also a mess - but made even worse because of the writer’s strike. They went downhill from there. But they all made money... for a while.

They occupied this strange world of “kids films that want to be also violent action films.” Thus a PG-13 rating with a tacit understanding that much younger kids will be going to see them (because toys). A sort of forced four-quadrant.

Parallel to the Bay films, we see the Marvel Cinematic Universe rise up. All were PG-13 - but also massively profitable and truly four-quadrant. Everyone goes to see them.

So, with that Marvel money always there - I would find it hard to believe another studio holding IP would settle for a smaller slice of the market.

What I would believe is that audiences are exhausted by (and soured on) the franchise.

I could see a Beast film being used as a soft reboot - but if I was in that meeting - I would say “It’s not enough. Why risk further watering down your IP, when you could take your time and relaunch it in a year or two as a juggernaut?”

*edit. I would also add that audiences got exhausted by the Bay/Bumble films because there were no characters to hold onto. None of the bots were as interesting or charismatic as the heroes (or villains) of the other franchises I listed. So movie after movie became a slog. No one cared what happened to Jazz or Arcee because we had no idea who they were. The Transformers were just set dressing. I’d tell those execs “Start with the characters - and make the films their story - or you will continue to suffer diminishing returns.”

 

Potty humor and disjointed plots aside, tho Bumblebee was better than the other 5, the Bay/Knight era was at least grounded in reality with real vehicles scaled to each other, the size of which in both modes made for a good on-screen spectacle.

Aside from BW Megatron, all the other BW characters should be roughly human size, granted the scale was BS in the original CG show, which I think personally would be really lame—I think it would be visually more along the lines of E.T. than the cool fighting robots we all enjoy. I think the only way to make a live action BW cool would be to leave the humans out and do like Jon Favreau’s Lion King. On the flip side I also think it would be really dumb if they just made the animals big for no reason ala Rampage... tho again, I will grant you the original show’s giant wasp, scorpion, and spiders were also ridiculous.