Hasbro Reissue Vote 2020: G1 Blaster

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  1. wideload

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    If a Devastator set is going for $19 in any store, that's on Walmart for not properly distributing the products and making them available to people who actually want them. No way a legit set like that would ever sell for anything less than $50 USD. Even the knockoffs are going for more than that. The legit Walmart sets are going for almost 2x original retail on Ebay right now.
     
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    I agree with anyone who says that the demise of these G1 reissues at retail is entirely down to poor character choice and reissue fatigue. I understand Blaster was the fan vote, but obviously the 100 people who voted for Blaster go theirs because my Walmart stores where I am are literally choking on bushels of these. I'm waiting until they hit $9 like Astrotrain did before getting one.
     
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    Takara has reissued virtually all the 84-85 bots and cons yet some have never been reissued here in US. Examples are Hound, Ironhide, Ratchet, Kup, various minibots (not counting the fun-4-all as legit reissues) and Eject. The molds obviously exist(ed) but were ignored for often used characters. As a result the demand went away. Hasbro can only blame themselves.
    The only molds rumored damaged or lost were Mirage, Sunstreaker, Wheeljack, the Dinobots and the 86 combiners. So there were plenty to choose from.
     
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    Well that, the shoddy ass distribution and the ridiculous prices.
     
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    Apperently, Prime's trailer is also on that list of lost/damaged. That is the excuse Hasbro used for why we didn't get a trailer with the Walmart Optimus.


    I wonder when the next fan poll will be.
     
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    Rewind. We've gotten Eject at least twice now I think, but never Rewind.

    And the thing of it is any real demand went away because reissues are old hat to most collectors. I mean the originals are 3 and half decades old, but even the first reissues are now turning 20 themselves. So even if they released Ironhide or Hound I don't think it would suddenly reinvigorated this line to keep going on for much longer. The only thing that might would be to reissue stuff that has never been reissued before like Dinobots or Jetfire, all of which can't be done again by Hasbro for various reasons. Doesn't mean that reissues are all done and that there won't be anyone after Blaster and the retro packaged Headmasters, but the chances of something incredibly exciting happening down the road are becoming less and less likely as time goes by.


    Yeah, Warden himself said as much that the mold was a mess. And that's probably true for a lot of the toys that have never been reissued by either Hasbro or Takara, these things just aren't meant to last forever.
     
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    Did not know that Prime's trailer mold was lost :eek: .....yeah these molds are all long in the tooth. But, they can be recast if there is demand...they did it for Prime and possibly Soundwave.
     
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    Oops....yeah meant Rewind lol. Dinobots were diaclone so they can be remade if there is demand (which I think there is). Jetfire is Bandai so yeah do not see that happening.
     
  9. WishfulThinking

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    They created a new mold for Optimus in Vietnam. But, they apparently decided to NOT create a new mold for the trailer there as well. So, it's not that it's lost or damaged but rather that Hasbro decided not to increase the cost of the product by including it. :rolleyes: 

    Probably never at this point. Hasbro seems more content to release new product in vintage packaging instead.
     
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    Can be remade, sure, it's not really a question of that. They can remake just about anything, but unfortunately that doesn't mean Hasbro sees the point in doing so and thinks they should.
     
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    Hasbro/Walmart didn't try, it flopped, and they blamed everybody/everything but themselves. Film at 11.
     
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    True....between WFC and Masterpiece nailing the Sunbow aesthetic, and numerous reissue waves from TakaraTomy in the 2000s, demand for old toys has dwindled. The exception appears to be with G.I. Joe...the fans really want the original molds from 83-85 but they are a much smaller fanbase nowadays. I still think if Hasbro recast the G1 Dinobot molds and reissued them they would out sell all reissues since the Commemorative Series waves one and two.

    My hope....and I realize it is highly unlikely..... is that TakaraTomy sees fit to maybe reissue the last 3 diaclone cars (Wheeljack, Sunstreaker, Mirage) and the Dinobots....and maybe Shockwave since TakaraTomy bought the company that originally made him....and call it finished on reissues. Blurr, Springer, Scourge and Cyclonus would also sell well I think and do not require diecast (as they were released in 1987 without it) but are not as sought after so are more of a gamble.
     
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    Anything not reissued from 84-86 would be like printing money. Even several later items would be at this point as the market is drying up more and more.

    The initial prices on these were stupid, they made several errors with them, they've all been done better before other than maybe the packaging, and they weren't evenly distributed at all. Yep, it's a classic Hasbro fuck up. Astrotrain was the only one who interested me to finally get him in his original Hasbro colors, but even then the purple is pretty off for no good reason.

    I'm guessing at some point the temptation for TakaraTomy to fill in some gaps (especially Mirage/Wheeljack/Sunstreaker, Dinobots, Shockwave, and several movie figures) will become too much and they'll remake them. In fact my guess is at some point they'll remake several of the commanders we haven't seen as well.

    I've always thought it was pretty simple. Just straight up reissue the figures and original packaging, that's what we all crave at the end of the day. Update copyrights on the packaging so that you can tell vintage from new, and you're all set.

    "This is 1984." Release the whole lineup under that banner and take us back to 1984. No way that wouldn't sell like crazy. Then do 1985, etc. This is what I would have liked to see a fan club doing. A subscription service for fans interested in old style toys - then the new stuff goes to market where kids have easier access and there is more natural crossover appeal. Higher prices would be much better justified under this scenario too. Different colors on a figure you can get at retail for 20% of the price makes no real sense. Premium prices for figures not otherwise available at retail however, does.
     
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    Nonsense. If the temptation was really still there, TakaraTomy would have done it years ago when the reissue craze was in full swing. But really, there's clearly a reason that the past few Encores and reissues from TT have been both years apart and not even toys from G1.
     
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    I blame the price point. Blaster literally costs what his previous reissue did, only the previous reissue came with three cassettes and Perceptor and all his accessories. It's a ripoff.

    The whole mold thing - it makes no sense to me. In order to make something, you either need the mold, or the thing the mold made to make the mold again. They have sheds of old TF's they can buy to make a new mold - it's easy. It does not make sense.

    Plus Primes trailer was reissued with the 25th anni version, and it available in abundance as a KO on eBay.

    Still don't understand why they didn't reissue the Blasster tapes like they did with Soundy. They've done them before.

    ^This^
     
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    If they had included the trailer it might have cut down on all the diecast non-transforming Prime by Jada Fraud returns to Walmart who was stupid enough to even allow them to occur in the first place.
     
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    The whole lost/damaged mold excuse is such garbage. Surely, remaking a mold from an existing toy is cheaper than designing new toys and creating new molds. It's too prohibitive to recast the G1 Grimlock, but they can design a dozen different new Grimlock toys that no one really wants? Hasbro comes out with a new G1 inspired Prime toy just about every year, but it's too cost prohibitive to recreate the trailer from an existing toy? What a load of complete BS.

    It's poor management. The people in charge are out of touch with what the market actually wants. They could easily list 4-5 in demand G1 reissues on Haslab at a markup and people would buy them. A $60 G1 Dinobot reissue via Haslab would sell out instantly. They just did the same thing with vintage "Hero Quest". There's multiple Grimlock toys on Haslab for sale right now, but it's too cost prohibitive to recast the G1 mold? Despite the fact that multiple knock-off companies from China have made new G1 molds?

    It's really not that difficult or expensive to recast molds. Hasbro has just been milking collectors, and they're destroying the market in the process.
     
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    No, it wasn’t an individual store issue; Walmart clearanced them out systematically, ending at $19.

    whether they now go for more than that doesn’t change the fact that Walmart clearanced them out. I’m sorry that fact doesn’t fit your narrative but it’s a fact.
     
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    The whole point is that you could not find a devastator in any of the stores near me, or online. They stocked only a few at the $99.99 CAD, and people were actively trying to buy them at that price. People are re-selling them now on EBay for above that price. Yet, somehow in order to move them all, Walmart needed to discount them to $19.99? It's a case of extremely poor distribution. Why have so many in a market where no one wants to buy them and you have to discount them by 80%, yet have none available online.
     
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    But you were attempting to claim your individual experience reflected the market as a whole.