The Bumblebee Movie speculation and discussion thread

Discussion in 'Transformers Movie Discussion' started by Livingdeaddan, Feb 13, 2016.

  1. Rodimal Rodimus

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    You sure? A lot of their videos end up being sortof right anyways. Andy's especially.

    And yet Marvel were the guys who helped develop the worlds of Rom, Micronauts, GI Joe, and yes even Transformers. Larry Hama and Bob Budiansky anyone?

    One could easily argue that same for, well, Marvel back in the mid-to-late noughties.

    Who says there has to be a big crossover movie per se?
    I ask this question a lot, and no one seems to answer that.

    Which I'm sure is what they're doing as we speak.
     
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    The Avengers might not have been as popular as they are now before the MCU, but they were at least somewhat known. Enough to get people hyped when the end of Iron Man teased the Avengers. Not to mention the Avengers is mostly made up of well-known and popular characters. Captain America, Hulk, Thor, etc. Outside of Transformers and GI Joe (which isn't even super relevant right now), how many properties does Hasbro have that would get people hyped for a crossover? I don't see the average person getting excited when the Micronauts or MASK get name-dropped in an after-credits scene.

    Marvel was a universe all the way back to the old comics. Characters have been crossing over since at least the early '60s, so there's a big precedent for it. The problem with Hasbro is that it isn't a universe. It's a toy company that owns a bunch of completely disconnected properties. Most of Hasbro's popular brands are stuff like Nerf and Monopoly...things that don't lend themselves to movies at all. The stuff people always bring up are things like Mask and Micronauts, which haven't been relevant (among mainstream audiences) in decades. Doing a crossover in the IDW comics is one thing, but doing it in a big mainstream movie is entirely different.

    I would absolutely never say it couldn't be done. Maybe they'd do it well and I'll eat my words. But to me it sounds like one of those fun fan ideas that sounds cool in-theory, but would be super risky and hard to pull off in practice. And ultimately not worth it, since there's essentially no demand among mainstream audiences. I think it makes a better fan Photoshop image (or IDW comic) than it would an actual movie series.

    There doesn't have to be a big crossover movie, but isn't that sort of the goal of crossing over all these properties?
     
  3. Rodimal Rodimus

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    Can't hurt to try.

    Same could be said for Jem, and yet that got a crappy film half a decade ago.

    What do you suggest they do then? Aside from the obvious.

    Little easter eggs, nods & winks can't hurt too, right?
     
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    It absolutely could hurt, if the project failed and caused Paramount more financial trouble. It's worth noting that most people who've tried Cinematic Universe have failed. Both DC and Star Wars have had major flops, and those are among the most popular brands ever. That Universal monsters thing was an embarrassing failure. Even Transformers' own attempt at a self-contained cinematic universe failed. Marvel is the exception not the rule. I see no reason to assume a Hasbro Cinematic Universe would fair any better than all the other failed attempts.

    Isn't that movie among the worst flops ever? That's just more evidence that people don't really care about these properties.

    I suggest they forget about crossovers for now and put all their focus on making a solid series of Transformers films. Transformers is still recovering from TLK's failure, and it's looks like we're finally going to be getting the more retro-inspired Transformers films a lot of fans have been wanting. I see no reason to muddy the waters with crossovers yet and possibly risk another TLK happening. Even when they're ready to do something more risky, I think there are better things to do (like the Beast Wars movie).

    A crossover with all these obscure brands is something they should do ten years from now when the series is stable and they've exhausted all their other ideas. And after stuff like MASK and Micronauts prove themselves to be profitable. It wouldn't be smart to jump into all that while they're still trying to recover from TLK.


    If they're going to do it, I'd prefer it just be contained to small easter eggs and winks, I'd have no problem with that. But that's not really a cinematic universe, like this video is suggesting.
     
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    You did read muh original post aka short version of a long wiki wannabee. The one which it took 9 days to research and post back to? Heck, for that, I'd just watch that Netflix about the toys we grew up with (which ain't all that complete):lolol  Nice soapbox btw.
     
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    Still generalising.
    There is such thing as 'learning from mistakes', right?

    Which is why I said it was crap. because it disrespected the source material, and its fanbase.

    And guess what, Bumblebee worked. And they confirmed it to be the start of a new universe. Did they not?

    It's called planning in advance.


    Is that not enough for you?
    There's no pleasing people like you.
    Just being negative for the sake of it.
    -_-smh
     
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    For the record, @TheSoundwave enjoyed Bumblebee and tends to be mostly positive on these boards, so there are pleasing people like him.

    On topic, I don't buy the whole R-Rated Megatron film, as cool as it potentially could be. Aside from the fact that these movies are intended to sell toys, big budget R-Rated films are a risky gamble. There are successes, such as the Deadpool films, It, and Logan, so it could end up being profitable and a worthwhile endeavor. However, "Villain Films" are still a relatively new trend (Suicide Squad, Joker, Infinity War) so I'm not sure it's the right move for Hasbro and Paramount right now.

    As far as a shared universe goes, I say that "less is more". Paramount is in no financial position to be the next Marvel so I believe that they should focus on creating good standalone features, rather than try to develop an overarching universe. Easter eggs and homages are fine but I don't think most audiences would care if Micronauts, M.A.S.K., and Transformers the same way they would Iron Man, Thor, and Captain America. We don't need another Avengers or Justice League.

    I really enjoyed Bumblebee and am excited to see the future of this franchise. However, I don't think now is the time for overambition on Hasbro's part.
     
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    I'm only giving my personal opinion on the topic, and explaining why I don't think it would be a very smart idea right now. If you want a Hasbro Cinematic Universe, I think that's completely cool. We all want different things from the brand, and I've never been big on crossovers personally. It's just not a type of storytelling that particularly interests me. If Hasbro and Paramount decide to do a HCU, I promise I'll go into it was an open mind. I'll fully admit that they could do it well, I'm just saying it raises red flags for me on a purely conceptual level.
     
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    Take with a pinch of sali, I guess.

    What else do you think they're doing right now?

    As I've stressed, give it time, a few years or so.

    What else could 'storytelling universe' mean?
     
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    It's so much more than that, She was mourning the death of her father, she was shutting people out, she felt her family moved on quickly from his death. That is relatable then, whatever the hell sam's plot was, getting a car to get laid? Okay. I get offended when people say it's stupid, a waste of time, when her and bumblebee's plot connect to each other because they both lost something. It also helps that she knows she feels like this negative attitude, is making people very annoyed or irritated with her, and it upsets. That's very believable, and it helps she's a likable character, dealing with, like what i said, Loss.

    On a personal note, I lost a family member back in 2018, so i know the feeling of loss, I get angry when people try to say, Nah this is stupid or something. Sorry for the rant, but this is just how i feel
     
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    Its the same people who say that 07 and bumblebee have the exact same plot because they both have a teenager and a robot car, just dumb bullshit
     
  12. Rodimal Rodimus

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    Since this 'Beast Alliance' film is likely the sequel to Bumblebee, I'll express my theory/speculation here (still taking with a pinch of salt though):

    Going off that rough synopsis, I think it'll focus on the Autobots (Bumblebee, Optimus, Brawn, Ironhide, Ratchet, Jazz, Wheeljack, Arcee, and Prowl) and the Decepticons (Shockwave, Soundwave, Starscream, Thundercracker, Skywarp, Dirge, Ramjet, Thrust, and Acidstorm) discovering the location of the crashed Axalon and Darksyde somewhere in South America. So they must race to get there and awaken their respective ancestors, the Maximals and Predacons.
    Then the Beast Wars movie would act as a prequel, showing and explaining how they got there in the first place.

    I think that would be a clever spin on things. Sortof a reverse Beast Wars if you will.

    #HasbroVerse
     
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    What about Megatron
     
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    Hard to say, really. It's possible that Sector 7 might still have him in a frozen state.
     
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    Does anyone know why there was that big crowd at Charlie's house during the ending? Was that there because of a cut out segment?
     
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    Probably because the family made it on the news
     
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    Please change Bumblebee's face to the G1 design in the new movie please, and have him talk. They did it for the other bots and it looked soo much better in the First Bumblebee Movie!
     
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    A small detail that's probably just a reuse of a sound effect in their catalog that they thought was cool, but you can hear Charlie Adler's Starscream speaking Cybertronian when Shatter is trying to connect to the cell tower. Perhaps a hint of what's to come? Yeah, it's probably just a coincidence/reused asset, but if Starscream is the villain in the next film, that'll probably become a little headcanon of mine.

    I think that's one of my few problems with Bumblebee. A lot of the assets are cobbled together, from the Cybertron characters to the sound design. Say what you want about the Bay movies, but they had surprising attention to detail when it came to the sounds that each character made. That isn't really the case in BB, with Dropkick reusing Demolishor and Megatron noises.

    Most of what they did is nice enough though, and the movie came out really good regardless. It's kind of a miracle that it turned out the way it did because judging from the concept art and behind the scenes, this film was kind of stitched together and could have easily been a disaster.

    I'm excited to see what they do now that they have some time to plan ahead and can start fresh. It isn't a case where they have to change the premise of their film midway through production and have the freedom to not be bound to a convoluted and dying continuity like the Bay movies.
     
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    They Have to get Charlie Adler back as starscream (if they can’t get mark hamill or Steve Blum) his starscream voice is absolutely amazing. It’s a shame that he didn’t get to do much In the movies.
     
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    Probably not going to happen, but maybe Blitzwing gets resurrected/rebuilt as a triple changer?