Black Panther: Wakanda Forever (Black Panter 2)

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  1. Laser_Optimus

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    The problem with bringing Killmonger back ...other than the fact that Michael B. Jordan is alive to reprise his character while Chadwick Boseman is not... is that in-universe it would create a question of why this guy can get resurrected and the other one can't. Obviously, there's a real world explanation for that, but I think the average moviegoer would balk at Killmonger returning.
     
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    Honestly, as weird as it would be, maybe they could simply recast Michael B. Jordan as T'Challa. If anybody would know how to do the role, it would be the guy who originally was that role's opposite, and the fact Killmonger is dead simply means MBJ is free to do it.

    Likewise, simply not addressing the fact it's not only a different actor but literally the bad guy from the previous film might be the best course of action, not drawing attention to the change. Wouldn't be the first time that they've changed the actor in a role within the MCU between films (see: Bruce Banner and Rhody) and Chadwick's sudden death is an extraordinary circumstance.

    Yeah, having M'Baku be kind of that 'asshole ally' would be great, since his background and general isolation from the rest of Wakanda would keep him distant and seemingly at odds with what the main characters want, but at the same time he does have the overall interest of Wakanda at heart and thus really he's just a harsh critic which is more valuable than simple yes-men.

    Plus, if written well, he has some of the best lines. "I will feed you to my children...just kidding, we are vegetarians" remains one of my favorite MCU lines.
     
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    Maybe it's not a matter of resurrecting Killmonger. We never actually see him die. The camera pans away at the end. By superhero rules that not really dead.
    So maybe he didn't die. Maybe Wakanda science healed his near fatal wound, just like it did for Agent Ross's.

    Also bringing back Killmonger solves the other problem with Shuri - the heart shaped herbs were destroyed. Without them Shuri could never get the powers of the Black Panther. But Kilmonger already has it in his system.
     
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    Yeah, T'Challa already offered to heal Killmonger's wounds and Killmonger declined outright. We know Wakandan science could have healed him, but I don't think T'Challa is the kind of man who would have forced that on him after he declined the offer.

    And, frankly, I don't want to see Shuri become the next Black Panther either.
     
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    No one expected Boseman to die. Not the fans and not even Disney from what's been said. So there's no way to do this cleanly. Somethings gotta give. The top 2 options I see are either...
    A) Killmonger is healed against his wishes and sees the errors of his ways
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    B) Shuri conveniently finds a second stash of the herb and learns advanced fighting techniques in a matter of months.

    While neither are great choices, option A requires less suspension of disbelief IMHO. Honestly the biggest twist in all of this is my support for bringing back Michael B Jordan. I always found his acting rather poor. I'd be happy with just about anyone else, including Shuri, but from a narrative stand point it just makes the most sense. He has the herb, he has the fighting skills, he's royal blood. And despite what I think of the actor his generally well regarded in the industry so there's name recognition.
     
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    You're right. There's no way to do this cleanly. So just recast T'Challa. Boseman, while great, isn't sacrosanct to the character. No reason to come up with convoluted nonsense to bring Killomonger back to life or to make it so Shuri finds a cache of the heart shaped herb. As much as some seem vehemently against it recasting T'Challa really is the easiest answer.
     
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    The lack of herb doesn't matter. There was always going to have be a Black Panther after T'Challa, and they were going to need to figure out how to move on without the herb. Now they just have to do it sooner.
     
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    You people and making Killmonger BP...I just can't.
    There is no shame in recasting since they did it for Rhodey and Banner. I enjoyed what Boseman gave us in CW, BP, IW and EG but it just makes sense to have Tchalla going forward as a leader of the Avengers.
     
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    Michael B. Jordan is the only man I would accept a recast for T’Challa himself. He knows better than anyone the sheer weight of who Chadwick was to the world and it would be poetic of him to take the reins.

    I know a lot of people don’t want Shuri to become the next Black Panther, and to be fair, Letitia Wright is still too heartbroken to even consider it, so she doesn’t really want to at this time either. I’m sure given the positive overall response to her and the way legacy works, she would’ve become BP eventually or at least gained more powers or something. But understandably Wright isn’t in the right place to take the role now.
     
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    The Wakanda Files tie in book does state that Shuri is trying to figure out how to bring back the plant, so the seeds are being planted (no pun intended) for the herb to return if the book is intended to be canon
     
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    Michael B Jordan. Definitely behind that. Have T’Challa die heroically and force Killmonger to live up to a legacy bigger and better than himself. Fuck it, it’s the MCU not the comics. Guy has way too much charisma to waste. And whatever any of us think Michael B. Jordan is going to put a fuck load of butts in seats.

    Bring. Back. Killmonger.
     
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    How do you know how Wright feels and why do you assume she'd be too heartbroken but Jordan wouldn't be?
     
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    The tie in books and comics are non-canon or ancillary canon at best. The movies don't reference those anymore than they did the Netflix and ABC series.

    Kevin Fiege and Victoria Alonso have already said they won't be touching things like resurrecting dead characters in the MCU even though it happens frequently in the comics. So I wouldn't get my hopes up regardless of how many butts MBJ would put in the seats.
     
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    Re: how Wright feels, there was some interview that came out in the last month or so I think where she didn’t even want to talk about the sequel. Re: how Jordan feels, that’s fair, but it’s not like I said Jordan is totally down for it, he’s just my pick for recasting.

    It’s truly a terrible situation that nobody is ever going to be perfectly happy about. But everyone is grieving and I don’t see anybody rudely pushing the studio to make a decision. It seems like most everybody understands what an exceptional, terrible situation this is and everybody is showing empathy. And that’s what I’m happiest about, I guess.
     
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    Extraordinary circumstances.
     
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    True, but the same argument could be made for recasting as well. Not to mention it's the easier answer of the three I see being suggested in a lot of places. No retcons needed. Just recast T'Challa like they recast Banner and Rhodey. That said; as long as it's executed well and the movie is good I'll accept whatever they come up with at the end of the day, but my personal preference at the moment until we actually know something is for them to just recast.
     
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    I hear you. I think killing-off Killmonger was a huge mistake. I don’t think they believed he would resonate as much as he did. The dude was just “sexist man alive” I think the smart move, on every level, is using the plant to revive him. But yeah I am down with a re-cast or whatever writing is good. I think Shuri was weak AF in the movie and bringing her in as Black Panther would be a yawn. Especially when they had a slew of other physically capable women in that movie. She needs a suit of armor in the MCU, she’s no Shuri.
     
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    I kind of love how the idea of bringing back Killmonger is being seriously considered and that he should become the next Black Panther. I mean the guy was just a murderous bigot, nothing too bad right? I'm not talking about the actor, I'm talking about the character.

    Maybe they should make Bucky the next Black Panther. :^)
     
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    Or bring back Jeff Bridges and Obadiah Stane as the next Tony Stark cause he also wore a metal suit :rolleyes: 
     
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    With all the talk of Doctor Strange 2 and Spider-Man 3 dealing with the Multiverse, is there anything to say they couldn't just bring in a T'Challa from another dimension (played by someone else)? Essentially just recast him, but lampshade it in-universe. That would probably be the most straightforward route to go. It would obviously take some explaining, but it would be no more contrived than resurrecting Killmonger or introducing some long-lost son/brother or something like that. And they'd get to keep the character of T'Challa, who has become synonymous with Black Panther.
     
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