I mean, in all seriousness if the point of the bayverse isn't to actually give a damn about the continuity between films, then why bother even having a continuity? Why not just do something in the style of an anthology? They pretty much seemed to be doing this given how continuity between films got worse and worse with every sequel, to the point TLK's entire plot revolves around forgetting the ending of the first film when Bumblebee speaks.

Except it isn't an anthology because Sam Witwicky connects the first three films, they keep referencing Chicago in the fourth, and the fifth is all about Cade "Sir Douche" Yeager.

 

I'm guessing the real-world reason Bumblebee didn't bring up the Allspark is simply because it wasn't part of that movie's story. Throwing in lore from other movies might have gotten a bit confusing for the average Joe, especially since the Allspark hadn't been mentioned in a movie for almost a decade...there's a good chance the average audience member doesn't even remember exactly what the Allspark was or why it was important (especially since the last couple movies seemingly overrode the Allspark origin with the "Creator" origin).

In universe, there probably were Autobots out there searching for the Allspark, but this particular mission didn't happen to involve it. Just because they didn't possess the Allspark at that time doesn't mean they should just put everything on hold until they have it again...there are other things to accomplish. Taking back control of Cybertron is important regardless.

I watched the video you linked to, and I didn't hear anything about Transformers or Bay. (Although I could have missed it if it was an offhand remark, I was doing other stuff while I listened to it). Do you have a specific timecode?

Even though I didn't hear anything about Transformers specifically, he seems like a cool guy. He seems very grounded, and he seems to care about crafting a good story. I'm looking forward to seeing his work.

An anthology series would be too bizarre for a general audience. People are conditioned to think movie sequels continue the story of the last movie, so people would start to notice blatant contradictions.

But general audiences also don't remember every detail of what they watch. They remember the main details and broad strokes. Things like "Shia was in it" and "the yellow mute robot turned into a sports car". Maybe the overall progression of events. But most people probably don't remember what the Allspark is or how Bumblebee got his voice back...that was ten years before TLK, and most people probably haven't watched it since (or maybe had it playing in the background while they did other stuff). If they do catch a contradiction, they'll probably just assume their memory of the other movie was wrong.

Like it or not, these movies aren't made for sci-fi nerds who follow the lore and take into consideration every line of exposition. They're made for people who want to go to the theater and see a fun story about some space robots saving the planet. Like I said earlier, any backstory and lore just exists to set up the main narrative and add a sense of history and importance. They absolutely could've tied it all together into a cohesive lore, if that had been their priority (that's what Star Wars did with stuff like Obi-Wan's offhand line about "The Clone Wars"...they actually turned that into a central part of the Star Wars lore). But I guess that wasn't particualrly important to them.

And I think it's totally fine not to like this approach. I just don't think continuity errors are a great indicator of continuity. If they want this movie to be part of the Bayverse, they can always jump through some hoop...no matter how silly or contrived...to make it happen. Or just flat-out ignore any errors.

 

I dont treat Bayverse any different than I treat the Sunbow G1 cartoon. Im good with both. The crap that spews out of movie snobs mouths amazes me. Its like they go out of their way to find something wrong. Im not like that.

 

Jesus fucking Christ...

Google the term muggle. Whenever someone drops some random 4chan shit in threads I google it to translate it to English. It's not that hard...

Sally and Trevir were random fucking names to sub in for "indiscriminate popcorn flick moviegoer", I guess my mistake was in assuming you were intelligent enough to put that together without a goddamned roadmap.

 

From what I learned from Creed 2, they many Director out there are better than him in terms of making high octane scifi action and camera shooting angle.. Prefer Jonathan Liebesman, Len Wiseman or Louis Letterier as they are free of schedule also.

 

I don\'t know much of Caple\'s work outside of Creed II (which I\'ve yet to see, or most of the Rocky movies for that matter, I only saw the first one during my screenwriting class at college a month ago lol), but I feel like he\'s gonna be a good pick. This will definitely be interesting and I\'ll for certain keep my eye out on the overall development of this film. I personally enjoyed Bumblebee for what it was aside from my minor issues here and there with it, so I don\'t mind seeing them continue with that franchise. Funny enough, I hold the Bay films close to my heart because I watched them a bunch to calm myself from the hardships my life had the past 10 years. As much as I want to see a conclusion to that side of things in some way, shape or form (comic, movie, 3D fan films even, etc.), I know TLK was a commercial failure to Paramount and the chances of that are EXTREMELY low so rip haha.

Overall, I\'m interested, looking forward to it, and they OBVIOUSLY (not really LMAOO) dropped the news because Hasbro got scared of the concept trailer I dropped a week ago blowing up 

 

Seriously?

 

Idk man, this

Feels like a definite upgrade from this

While still keeping the overall same friendly underdog vibe

Also, I just want to point out the irony of being upset that a character named Bumblebee looks like an insect

 

What the hell is different between what you just said and simply retconning the first movie out of existence? That's like saying Smaug never happened in the Lord of the Rings continuity because he's dead before the events of Fellowship and is never mentioned in the main trilogy (at least not in any major capacity), even though the quest to reclaim the Dwarven homeland from him is the catalyst for all of Lord of the Rings because it's the reason Bilbo is set on the path to obtain the One Ring and to a lesser extent, the orc-sensing sword Sting.

Why? It's a dead world without the cube. All the resources spent holding onto it and defending it are spent for zero gain. The cube would be far more important, doubly so given how Prime writes off Cybertron entirely once the cube is destroyed in Megatron's chest.

And this is what pisses me off - comments that grasp at straws like "there are other things to accomplish". WHAT other things? Trying to use an open-ended statement in lieu of an actual answer simply points out how there is no answer whatsoever, it's just trying to force the question onto an entity that will not actually answer the question, in this case the writers of the films.

Like, I dunno, maybe Prime being on Earth at the end of one film, and then suddenly in the next film he's arriving on Earth and acting like he's never actually on the planet before? Plus, in this day and age, the summary of a movie's entire plot is just a few taps away on a smart phone so people can look it up (my dad has to do this every time we watch an episode of Westworld).

This isn't expanded universe stuff, this is literally a difference in state between two instances of a major character. You have Prime speaking fluent English in the holograms Bumblebee has, before Prime has even landed on the planet, then he does land on the planet and is still speaking English...but then in 2007 he lands on the planet again and then says they learned Earth's language through the internet, something that didn't actually exist when Prime was originally speaking English on another planet entirely.

And again, Soundwave's apparently doing fuck all during the 80s despite being around since the 1960s (having somehow beaten Bumblebee to the planet by about 20 years when he could only have left well after Bumblebee) and somehow didn't notice anything going on during the Bumblebee film.

If they wanted it to be part of Bayverse, then they wouldn't have cut Barricade, Hot Rod, and Megatron.

So you're saying that your expectations of a multi-million dollar movie franchise are on par with a shitty saturday morning cartoon that cost a fraction as much to make?

 

On the contrary, with the Transformers movies you often find yourself tripping over issues, you don't have to look far to find them.

Maybe it just sounds like crap to you because you don't understand it? Also I can only speak for myself but it's less about being a snob and more just having standards.

 

Shhesh....your cussing cuz I dont understand your lingo. Google it ! Google it ! F**k that. I was in my late 20s before the internet was even popular. If Its outta my zone and you arent presenting it in a positive light, I aint researching s**t....

 

Placing expectations on a piece of media is somewhat arrogant in my opinion. Its entertainment bro.

 

I just see it as hate. I dont have to "understand" the hate. If anything, it makes more sense for you understand why people like it. Not everyone analyzes movies. I got better things to do with my brain. I just see movies as entertainment.

 

Just because it's entertainment doesn't mean we should just accept or mindlessly consume whatever is created. "Arrogant" is an interesting choice of word... you're also basically invalidating criticism of any form of media as long as it's classed as entertainment.

Man, use Multi-quote.

If you see criticism as hate then you're just wrong, plain and simple. Just because there exist people who don't analyze X doesn't mean those who do are somehow wrong for doing so.

 

But its entertainment that costs money to partake in. And I don't think it's too far fetched to have standards in terms of what kind of entertainment is worth my money.

 

Yeah, I mean it's not like the pandemic has put many people out of a job at the moment or anything. We don't all have a ton of disposable income to waste on whatever thing that may or not be worth the money.

How arrogant of people...

 

It's arrogant to expect media that costs millions of dollars to be good?

I feel like it's more arrogant to make excuses for media that should have absolutely no reason to not have an acceptable standard.

This conversation took a turn for the erotic.

 

And with this sterling bit of insight, along with your inability to figure out something as simple as the multiquote button, I have established exactly how much value you have to contribute to ANYTHING from here on out. Ignored.