Masterpiece Arcee MP-51

Discussion in 'Transformers News and Rumors' started by S250, Feb 8, 2020.

  1. Phamduc

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    Alrighty then. Try to keep it peaceful, please.

    To set the record straight, it looks a ton better in person than the pictures suggest. I was at wonderfest and sure, aside from the torso, everything else was solid. Give it a chance, even with the QC. Like I said, I’m in when the price is cheaper. So she will somehow be coming my way. Just a matter of when

    For the recent and next items, I’m pretty sure Spinout will be solid as was Tigatron.
     
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    Yeah, agreed. I think the main reason they went with this chest design was to give the figure butterfly shoulder joints.
     
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  4. Jarrod

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    No, those are opinions. Not facts.

    And again, your opinion. It's fine if you don't like the figure Like I said, I have a few issues with it as well, and I don't think it's TTs best work, at all. But you are projecting your opinion onto others, claiming it is fact. And then insisting that others that don't see the same issues as you are wrong.

    Arcee's animated design did not take a transformable toy into consideration. She has practically no visible car parts in robot mode, and vice versa. Nicee was designed as a transformable toy from the very beginning. The only version of her design that exists is a transformable toy. Both modes incorporate significant parts of both modes, by design. By definition, her engineering and design is "easier" to accompish.

    One, or multiple, figures existing with completely different design, engineering, style, and goals, does not automatically mean another should be possible. Nor impossible.
     
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    It's a bad example, as it doesn't have to look like anything which already exists. It's not way more difficult, as they could design it exactly the way they wanted. They could adjust the car mode to fit the robot, every element. And the other way around as well. It's not like they drew the car and the robot and then had to figure out how to go from one to the other. They could be easily matched. Now TT didn't have that luxury. Both the looks of the car and robot were set in advance. They can only divert from it a bit. Doing the engineering then is way more difficult. If it was that easy as you believe it is, then all the 3Ps would be doing it. Thus far however, none of them has managed to do it. Which is not a stab at 3P, it only shows that it's not that easy.
     
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    Whether someone is trying to push something as facts or not, we can also choose to respond to it. People can agree to disagree. As long as we like it, we can enjoy. I dig this Arcee. She’s not very cartoon accurate in my eye, but she will easily fit in with my collection. I’m fine if not all of my masterpieces don’t have the toon aesthetic.
     
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    Think it's more a casualty of transformation. The butterfly joints from photos, looks to work like a HG gundam, what we see at the shoulder are just the post. Even if the purpose was to highlight her chest, a much more smoothed out and clean chest accomplishes that even better. Why go through the effort of highlighting female curves on her legs and waist only to purposely Lara Croft her chest?

    I'm disappointed they stopped the designer interviews, where we get to see the stop action transformation along side the interview think it might have explained why they stopped the pink part of her chest so abruptly at such a smart angle, when it's obvious her collar is longer than what it should be and something to compensate would have helped.
     
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    Yes, and Jarrod chose to brilliantly respond to it by calling that person out for pushing their opinion as fact :thumb 


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    Don’t be surprised if he’s working remotely from home do to the current situation. Perhaps a zoom time of interview can be done for Arcee. Time will tell.
     
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    Just wanna point out that the hype guy in those videos is not the lead designer and he doesn't talk about the design process or anything. He usually just gives his personal opinion, says how he loves the character and shows off the features. But yeah, I miss those vids. They're fun.
     
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    Wow, I think these might actually be the best, most flattering pics I've seen of her yet!

    Suddenly her backpack actually looks pretty compact, in comparison to the previous official attempts. Her overall proportions and body shape are drastically improved over the T30 mold. Which, while I always thought had too wide hips, didn't realize just how wide before.
     
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    You know, calling someone's opinion an opinion doesn't somehow invalidate said opinion if it can be supported with evidence, this Arcee has evident flaws from the pictures we can see and analyze. You can choose to ignore the issues as per your prerogative but that doesn't suddenly make them not flaws. It being someone's opinion doesn't make it invalid or suddenly NOT true. It's true that opinions can be wrong if they're based on faulty information or bias but we can clearly see the figures flaws. The whole "That's just like, your opinion man" is considered to be a bit of a meme response and yet you appear to be doing it unironically.

    Its my opinion™ that Rouge, Azalea and Nicee all look better than Mp-51.

    I really don't see how stating the obvious can be considered an argument, but I guess it sounds good?
     
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    and what if i say those 3rd party look worse then mp-51 and i think mp-51 is perfect? am i stating the obvious about 3rd party or is it my opinion?

    anyway i cant wait for arcee and the rest that will be made
     
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    I'm fine with it because I think TT's Hot Rod wasn't very toon accurate, either, and MP-51 is another toon inspired but not accurate figure who will go well with him.

    And anyway, as far as opinions go, everyone has the right to theirs whether it's backed up by subjective "facts" or not, where we always falter is with this worry about whether or not our opinions are right or wrong when we all just have our preferences and in the end it doesn't matter. I like MP-51, but if someone else doesn't and wants to buy and display say Azalea instead (a figure I personally think looks worse), then so be it, it's all eye of the beholder and there's no point arguing about it.

    Besides, I don't know it for a "fact", but I have a feeling that if we get a Kup or Blurr from TT, they'll probably match up with the MP-28/MP-51 aesthetic as well, so we might as well get all of this your opinion/my opinion talk out of our system with Arcee before we have to do this all over again down the road.
     
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    I like MP-40/28 a lot. Great transformation with a lot of playability. He’s definitely my Hot Rod for sure. He fits my collection and Arcee will, too. I’m happy with all my first party and third party options. Although I want the next masterpieces to come slowly because despite how this year has gone for many, I would like life to take its time. MP-51 will arrive and I’m definitely on the “I can wait for this to come”. We’ve got way too many transformers to enjoy. So it’s best that I sit back and enjoy and polish my collection to prepare for the arrival of Arcee and Spinout
     
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    Man the chest looks so bad on her compared to every other version of Arcee. Makes her neck look super long. Kinda baffling they went with that design choice.
     
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    Yeah, he'm most likely the lowest man on the totem pole or the least shy. I can imagine a lot of the team being more similar to Kobayashi versus Hausi. Reminds me of a joke an engineering professor told us
    " How do you tell the difference between an introvert and extrovert engineer?"
    The extrovert looks you in the eyes when he talks to you
     
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    Theres a big difference between sharing a disagreeing opinion and telling people they must be "pretending" to look past such "great issues" because they don't see the same thing.

    No one said another's opinion isn't valid.
     
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    Stock face looks a lot better in these pictures. Guess some of it is angles with it.
     
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    With the curvature on the sides of her chest near the top, I feel like they could've raised the chest closer to her clavicle without hindering the butterfly shoulders, or at least could've given the option to slide the chest upward on an adjustable hinge.

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