so whats up with Transformers 84 #4? Diamond Comics has its availability as TBD now TRANSFORMERS 84 SECRETS & LIES #4 (OF 4) CVR A GUIDI (JUN200585)
The release date for #4 on all sites just has been funky. IDW's website still says "October 2020" and Comixology listed it for October 28th, ect for that TBD. I thought I saw the release date being listed for release early this month too, or this is just one big delay.
Diamond Comics is the distributer so if it says TBD that means they have no info from the publisher. Midtown Comics has also removed its listing for #4 I contacted Guido on Shitter and no reply. He usually likes or replies to my posts
Not sure I've got much to say. Furman closed off most of the loopholes, but left at least one significant one: Spoiler Are we to understand that Grimlock bothered to take the bodies of Megatron and the '85 Autobots back to the Ark before returning to the Savage Land the place where the other Dinobots' bodies were?
I seriously enjoyed this return to form for TF storytelling, it's only a shame that it's been just 4 issues as I could easily go for an ongoing that was on this level. It doesn't even have to focus on the past, maybe something taking place far in the future of the original Marvel continuity that tackles Beast Wars elements as well as showing where the surviving Autobots and Decepticons and how they're dealing with things after the Maximals and Predacons become prominent.
This last issue was fine. Nothing terrible, nothing spectacular. Just fine really. Spoiler Some stuff in this issue was interesting, but a lot (mostly Earth) just seemed unnecessary. Punch even says that while stuff is getting interesting on Cybertron we go right back to Earth. The whole deal with the Coneheads wasn't anything major, just that they now have they're high ranking positions by keeping the Ark a secret, and we never who, if anyone, Punch is talking to. Although it is implied that he lives to the "modern" day (even though we never see him again) with his reference to Ratchet, so maybe it was just him record logs or something. Also seeing as how we never see or hear of anything about Star Saber in any other Marvel US or UK material. Pretty sure he's as good as dead by the the Marvel series (Unless he stole Magnus's drink or something, would explain why he would never mention him again). And I know it wasn't going to happen as a whole thing with changing memories would have had to happen, but I really wished that Megatron would have been Megatron rather than being controlled by Auntie, as the current UK Megatron I'm at right now is probably the Megatron I have the most fun reading right now. So yeah, a sort of meh ending for me but over all I really enjoyed the mini-series. Also the some of the generics that Guido Guidi drew, I want some figures of them. Please? Spoiler
its been an interesting series. I would for sure like to see more, perhaps as an ongoing based on the characters shown here and on Cybertron. But I would also like to see a series based on the original cartoon, covering the period after the last episode of season 2 until the movie and then after the Rebirth.
I loved every second of this, right up until the last panel. It felt like furman needed to find an ending, and that was the best he could come up with. I would have liked to have seen who p/cp was talking to this whole time. I loved the way furman tied up a lot of loose threads, either long standing ones or ones he'd made himself during this series. I also loved the few things he noted during his commentary as well. I just get the feeling that he still isn't done in this continuity. He's gone to great pains to include the possibility of marvel UK during this run, especially with things in the commentary, which would all but rule out rg1 as an eventual continuation of this story. I know in the past I've said I wanted to see tf84 #81, and forget rg1 existed, but rather than make a THIRD continuation of marvel US, why not go back to the original one. RG2 #13, anyone? Makes sense to me, and allows for marvel UK, cos nothing in gen 2 contradicted any of it to the best of my knowledge. I also wouldn't mind the odd miniseries between #80 and g2 #1, tie up loose ends like the nucleon storyline. In a different and better way than rg1's natural selection did, at least....
the implication that my boy Star Saber dies off-screen in the Marvel continuity doesn't sit well with me...
I will shortly. Just picked it up on the way home from work. Now helping my kid with his homework. I’ll definitely read it tonight.
My only real criticism of this series is that Furman didn't commit to including the Marvel UK continuity, he clearly took a lot of inspiration from it but I still feel like some parts can be included in Marvel UK continuity and other parts kind of don't. I was concerned Furman was going to wreck Target: 2006 by having Springer meet Impactor millions of years earlier. But thankfully, he didn't. I can accept that Springer was aware of Impactor millions of years ago but Impactor was not aware of Springer, or had completely forgotten that they had fought in the same battle one time before the Autobot triple changers joined the Wreckers. I can easily accept that to Optimus Prime and Megatron, Devastator was the first combiner, but that there were also combiners running around on Cybertron that they were not aware of. Regarding Furman's addendum in his notes, I still say its a fair point that Cyclonus and Scourge could have come from the future of an alternate timeline even in the U.S. continuity. That's the easiest and simplest explanation. None of that "Unicron based his Cyclonus and Scourge on two Decepticons" stuff in his notes of an earlier issue. I do definitely want to see another series of this. Preferably focusing on Star Saber and Deathsaurus.
Furman went through all the trouble of introducing him and Deathsaurus, so now if they may someday meet their end in this continuity I don't think it will just happen off-screen. Edit: Also the whole "well he's not in the original Marvel comics or mentioned again so he must be dead" thing makes no sense to me at all. What does that matter? Literally the entire run of G1 comics is built on new characters we never heard of before showing up out of the blue and being a thing. I mean Fort Max is an Autobot leader on Cybertron in this series, too, but in the original no one mentioned him until the Headmasters miniseries introduced everyone and told us why he was important. Even concepts presented in this very issue like Combiners (and is called out by Furman in commentary) have the same issue, the first appearance of Devastator characters were like "wow, what a new impressive unbelievable thing we've never seen Transformers do before!" until later "oh yeah, Abonimus and Computron exist and were a thing on Cybertron already soooo Devastator isn't the first just the first we've seen in awhile. (yeah, that's the ticket!)" So, if they do another miniseries later that takes place further down the timeline, Star Saber can still show up and Magnus (who doesn't actually exist in the original US G1 either) will be like "hey, buddy, we missed you. Where've you been?"
yeah I want to see a comic series on Star Saber going all around the universe kind of thing with his crew during the events of the original comic. They can be all characters that didnt appear in the original run too and be Japanese for all I care ! just make it a part of the g1 continuity, no or very little crossovers are fine with me
Back in the 80s, Transformers was still new. Of course Fortress Maximus wouldn’t be mentioned in 1985, two years before his toy was made. In another comic book, the comic is the primary product and the toys are based of the comics. With Transformers, the toys come first and the comic books are based on the toys. Even when the comic made new characters like Straxus and Scrounge, they didn’t get toys until decades later.
For my money, the “easiest and simplest explanation” for Cyclonus and Scourge (especially if we’re already stipulating that the US and UK continuities aren’t the same... and to me, they’ve never been) is that C & S have nothing to do with Unicron. They’re just two Decepticons, same as all the others.
It was a good issue, I agree that if they had cut out the earth stuff and just focussed on Cybertron it would have been a great series. Still, I am eagerly hoping for an announcement of more. Spoiler Mah boy Abominus!! Sad he got taken down so easily, though the Wreckers are supposed to be the best of the best, so maybe he fought well... Sinnertwin did get Impactors hand after all. I do have a question regarding the Coneheads and Straxus though... Spoiler If the Coneheads know about the ark and Straxus knows they know but doesn't want anyone else to know... who sends the team in issue 0 to go find them? I could go dig the issue up but I'm at work at the moment so don't have access to it. So yeah, more Cybertron and characters that got less screentime would be great. I mean a longer series focussing on Fortmax and him taking a whole chunk of Autobot forces away from Cybertron would be epic.
But that completely goes against who they are. They are not same as all the others. Rhythms of Darkness which is part of the US continuity tells us they were created by Unicron. And no, I’m not going to be convinced that they are a different Cyclonus and Scourge.
Anti-climactic ending for me, sadly. It felt like just as I was getting into the intrigue of this final act, it spluttered to a halt - as though this story needed to be 5 issues not 4. Loved the previous issues however, so don't feel it was time wasted.
