Read what I wrote my friend. What im against is the figure looking like "a cartoon" which is a big difference in looking like "the cartoon". Some people dont seem to get what im saying. To explain the difference think Black Series Boba Fett vs. Funko Pop Boba Fett. Both are technically screen accurate in deco, clothing, helmet, etc. But one strives to depict the character with realistic proportions, while the other strives to depict the character in unrealistically hand drawn exaggerated proportions. I think Hasbro is going too far down that wormhole, and homaging the worst attributes of the sunbow cartoon rather than the best atributes.
First of all, I did not collect during CW/POTP/TR, so I won’t talk from experience. Second, the bolded content is literally the definition of reimagining. You don’t want the figures to look like they’ve jumped out of the screen, you want them to look like they are jumping into the screen. Nothing wrong with it, but, as seen in the definition of the word I provided, that is literally you reimagining the source material. Hasbro and Takara did that with some of Siege/ER. There’s nothing wrong with it, but it is a reimagining nonetheless. And if most of Siege and Earthrise are slavish figures dedicated to recreating G1 looks, not all of them, but most, what do you expect figures from SS86, a line dedicated to screen accuracy? MPs are dedicated to recreating screen accuracy, so except for the first few, that point is null. And Siege/Earthrise is largely MP-lite, to make MP-levels of accuracy available in mass retail figures. I don’t understand what you’re trying to prove. You want something, but won’t accept that you’re clearly using the incorrect words. I provided dictionary definitions, not my own. Toon Accuracy means accurate to the cartoon, and nothing else. If you want it to primarily look like the cartoon, but have some areas where it’s different, then that’s a reimagining. All the bs you’re talking about “accuracy to the cartoon ve accuracy to a cartoon” makes no sense whatsoever. The goal of these lines is to provide Toon Accuracy at a CHUG price point. Whatever needs to be done to achieve that, will be done to achieve it. Simple as that. You’re not getting what you want, fine. You are allowed to complain, as that is free speech. But when you’re factually wrong in your definitions and understandings, which is what I have proved multiple times using not only dictionary definitions, but things that have been debated and proved almost thousands of times on these threads, then you ARE wrong factually. That’s what I’m trying to tell you. I’m sure other people tried to tell you this as well. That point is null, seeing as Boba Fett has appeared in his design first in live action. That gives concrete, physical, FACTUAL proof as to what his design is. Hasbro can go and find the real armor worn in the movies. These figures are based on the actual cartoons. They will, of course, look cartoony. I don’t know how else to explain this to you, as this is no longer you expressing an opinion, this is you actively denying fact.
So im "insane" because I dont like what you like ? If you know wrestling, picture me doing the DX chop in front of your face bro. I tried to break down my opinion logically and respectfully for those who disagree, and you got the nerve to label it a rant ? Im will not apologize for not being an anime fan obsessed with hand drawn appearance being translated into plastic. I like realism being incorporated to a certain extent. If thats too much for you to handle, then youre welcome to ignore my conversations with those who are more open to discuss or debate respectfully.
The worst to some may be the best to others. meaning? Personal preference. Some may share your point of view. Some won't. That's life. A cacophony of views.
So basically youre drinking the kool aid that "studio series 86" is its own line ? CMON MAN...its leftover WFC bro. Explain why Cyclonus is in Earthrise ? Explain why Rodimus will be in Kingdom ? Explain why the rumored Gnaw was a loser in a fan vote years ago just like Scorponok and Omega Supreme ? The designs were in the vault for years. Just because they removed 5 mm ports, dont go thinking these designs were ever intended to be in the studio series. Hasbro even gave them their own numbering system to keep the Bayverse figures seperate. Im just as much a Gwunner as anybody here. But Im not like a lot of these fans that are "reaching" with their beliefs about studio series 86. I truly believe it was just a last minute corporate decision to release more G1 inspired figures during Kingom's run. I think they are being cautious about Beast Wars. So unfortunately Bayverse has to take a hit for 2021. Gotta give the Gwunners something to buy in case "Truck not Munkey" makes a comeback. Thats my opinion on why we now have glorified CHUG in studio series boxes.
I agree with you with the wheels removal. But it wasn't lazy back then in the show, it was a costcutting measure to best animate the original G1 products.In Meister's case, they even took out his car door wings. This of course carried through with the current design.
No, I’m just using that as a specific example, because there is no question in anyone’s mind that they’re not meant for screen accuracy. Everyone and their moms on these boards knows that. In fact, thanks for proving me right, once again. If SS86 is a leftover of WFC, and SS86 is designed to be screen accurate to the G1 cartoon, what does that make WFC? The rest of your post is correct, because you’re using facts already proven on these boards. Those same posts hold the same information I, and others, have been trying to tell you. However, you seem to pick and choose what facts you want to acknowledge and what facts you don’t. That’s not how it works.Notice how you didn’t continue your whole “accuracy to a cartoon is different from accuracy to THE cartoon” bs. Don’t try to divert the topic. I proved you wrong with facts. Facts that you even accidentally acknowledge in your ham handed attempts to prove me wrong. That’s the end of the story.
I guess we are going to have to agree to disagree on our definitions of "cartoony" and "cartoon accuracy" and how important it is to creating an accurate homage. The bottom line is the 80's cartoons had a different budget and process than today's CGI cartoons. So deciding what 80's decisions should be incorporated into a figure in 2020 is pure opinion. I think it also depends on whether you are a cartoon fan or a Transformers fan. A cartoon fan is more likely to be an advocate of the hand drawn animated look. A Transformers fan (like myself) is less inclined to care about the simplicity of an animated cartoon. The reason I chose Boba Fett as an example was because he had a mask and we could focus on the isdue of body proportions without being distracted by facial features which lean more "cartoony" regardless of body.
First of all, stop arguing with me over the definition of cartoon accuracy. I provided dictionary definitions. Cartoon accurate toys will be cartoony. You want a slight modern reimagining of the cartoon designs. You have shown that in your own messages. Second, you are absolutely correct. “So deciding what 80's decisions should be incorporated into a figure in 2020 is pure opinion.” Correct! Hasbro made the choice to go with cartoon accuracy, according to the 80’s cartoon, for these lines. Meaning, they will be as cartoon accurate as possible, and achieve that by using whatever means necessary. They will strive for the figures to look like they jumped off the screen. Ah, I’ve become one of the guys who clog up the threads with a pointless discussion in which the other party won’t admit they’re wrong unless a moderator, or someone respected on these boards steps in, haven’t I? Sorry bout that guys, don’t like being told I’m wrong, when I’m not. It’s just one of my pet peeves when someone ignores facts. Regardless, there is no excuse, and I’m a part of this just like the other guy. Sorry.
Neither of you are in the right here, so I'd act less self-righteous if I were you. Either one of you could've stepped away from this once it became apparent neither one of you were willing to give ground.
I’ll agree that was a backhanded comment, as you are right. However, all I tried to do was tell him that his opinions are fine and there is nothing wrong with them, it’s just a couple facts he’s wrong on. I could definitely have been nicer and more concise about it, so I might be wrong morally, but factually I am correct. I won’t apologize for being factually correct. But fine. I’m an equal part of this. And I’m sure I look like the aggressor here, so I’m sorry to you, too.
So if the leakers are accurate there is no plan for Blitzwing in SS86 right now. That leaves the Insecticons as the only Decepticons left I think? There is something fitting about getting the Dinobots and Insecticons in the same line together.
I think that one of them said the earliest Blitzwing could come would be 2022. That’s not a confirmation, though. I’m not too sure about the insecticons, but I think they’re in a similar state? Probably wrong about that. Either way, it seems to be at least 2 years before either of them come through the pipeline. By then, they might even handle them in the new line they’ll have running by then.
so then aside from Gnaw and Wreck-Gar the rest of SS86 will be the Dinobots? And maybe a cleaned up Springer? That’s kind of disappointing I want some more Decepticons!
I mean, I could be wrong. Although, I think other than the Insecticons and Blitzwing, most, if not all p, of the other deceptions have gotten a rendition in the WFC Trilogy.
I’m just happy to get a Grimlock in his cartoon color scheme. I prefer the yellow over the gold accents from the toy, to be honest.
I think they were trying to differentiate Jazz from the Datsun brothers in the cartoon. The transformation was too similar in the G1 toys so they clipped his wings.
