My response was in regards to the 'crying' that people are doing because XTB hasn't released their trailer and thus Menasor isn't completed.
Considering the reason XTB has given for this is due to it needing to be redesigned, it very much is the design team's issue and I don't appreciate their time being taken up designing new products when a vital piece of another combiner set has been delayed for over half a year past its original release date.
If and when XTB has evidence that the trailer is on the way - and isn't going to be redesigned yet again - then I'd be happy to see new products from them. But honestly, I'm pretty fed up with them constantly showing something other than the thing they promised and they know the majority of their customers are waiting on.

XTB's Menasor was already going to be in line with the Zeta scale, at 48cm approx. So, are you saying it was being redesigned to make it a couple of cm taller?

I missed the part where the other companies announced the release of the last component and then failed to release that component, then months later said it was being redesigned, then months later showed some photos of a mode no-one asked for, then more months later haven't indicated when it will be released or how much it will cost.
Basically, I feel that XTB have jerked us around. That is not at all affected by what other companies are or aren't offering.
What it DOES mean is that I'm not interested in anything XTB presents until they finish the set they've already started, and the more they release and announce before they let me finish my set, the more product I won't be buying from them.

 

Whatever floats your boat. XTB isn't the first company so send something into redesign. FT blitzwing comes to mind. Just because something is being redesigned, doesn't mean that other designers can't work on other products and produce and release them if they happen to be ready for production. Your line of thinking that XTB can't or shouldn't be teasing and or releasing other products because their trailer is delayed just makes no sense.

 

Personally, I can't wait to see Hot Spot's trailer in 2030. I hope it's pink with green flames, to match Groove's relatively giant alt mode.

Except that XTB tends to only have one designer, 598 Robots, at least for most of their products.
And those other figures, such as FansToys Blitzwing, aren't a vital part to an existing set that was announced about three years ago.

 

Here is some out-of-the-box thinking: Hot Spot IS the Motormaster trailer  

I can't wait to see all those realistic looking alt mode with glorious details. Hot Spot, from what I read, should be the exact same alt mode as Inferno, but coloured blue. This may be an indication what XTB's Inferno/Grapple may look like alt mode wise. Which also means Hot Spot should not have the same wheel position as the G1 toy.

A helicopter without wheels would be nice too  

I wonder if the trend of G1 toon, G2 and G1 toy colours/deco will be followed. This way I'll just wait for the G1 toy.

 

We already know how their Inferno and Grapple look, but they're probably never coming out anyway.

 

So my guess with the 2nd question answer is that XTB's gonna use the Zeta pants on their Defensor hence making the design easier than Menasor.

 

So it's like 'pre-school teacher with four toddlers', a big pass for me.
Hopefully the set turns out good for you guys tho.

 

Uhm... In what way are they a pre-school teacher with toddlers?

 

Same scale. Awesome  
Good on you for not giving in to the sizequeens, XTB.
Don't need limb bots to be the size of Optimus  

 

Uhm I would have like more if the Protectobots would be the same size as the Zeta individual bots rather than carbot size.
For the combined more, to reach that size I expect a lot of extra parts, maybe not a whole skeleton like Menasor but close.

 

In a toon accurate way. And as a team, this is much more...well, harmonious.
Anyway, I'm not buying this set so I'm out of this thread as probably I should do.

 

perhaps they will go similar to what MMC has done with bruticus....each individual bot being the right size (ish) in bot mode and just the right size for combined mode. i hope that leaves streetwise the same size as other carbots though. lol. we don't need or want FT stunticon sized carbots. it looks dumb IMO but i get some people want that. we'll just have to wait and see i guess. who knows how far in the planning process this is? i will probably only get streetwise without the other members being fully revealed if i like him enough as an individual carbot. right now it looks like MMC is winning the streetwise battle for me but that may change seeing how neither design is final most likely. xtb really should get the color right to compete...and it ain't pure and bright white if this is indeed G1 protectobots (i give GT a pass on sarge because that is reimagined).

 

I'm just glad to see xtb is still has their hat in the ring in the combiner game. I think they bring their own niche option to the market. Where is dx9 and ft are basically fighting it out with the same scale height and aesthetics, I like that xtb offers something different to those who prefer a significantly smaller height and/or a more full toon option.

 

If you want Zeta sizing then wait to buy Zeta's.

 

Whose MP scaled First Aid is that big?

 

The way I look at these smaller combiners is they just aren't masterpiece bots. People happy with their smaller size can and should enjoy them but I'll just wait until one is made in big-boy size to scale better with the MP line, which i exclusively collect. I'm not sure why there's tension between the people who don't care about the smaller size vs those of us who prefer the large combiners, though. Buy what you like.

 

Yes it does actually...He’s not talking about a minor delay, but a major delay of the likes we have never seen....you talk about one off projects like Fanstoys Blitzwing or Outrider....But these are figures that we couldn’t miss because we never had them. Sure we could anticipate them but it’s not like FansToys sold us the legs of Blitzwing and then told us to wait on the upper body...Most people ( not all ) went in on this set with the assurance of having a completed Menasor within a reasonable time frame...If XTB had not made this assurance I’m pretty sure some ( not all) people may have not invested time and money to this venture...With that being said it’s very disappointing tactics that XTB would push other projects with out addressing this concern first....If I pay someone to fix my car and the only fix most of it, I still can’t get to work because it’s not yet 100 percent fixed...That’s bad enough....But then to find out that the person I paid to fix my car has been fixing and completing others vehicles is just ridiculous...

 

Because there are people who say stuff like

Which is rather dismissive, And

Because, if it's scale, then depending on which animation shot you're looking at, none of the existing combiners come close to being in scale with MPs,in some the 20"+ are correct, and in other shots, the 18" are perfectly scaled. I mean these two are from the same episode, minutes apart.



For me, it's way more important that partsforming is kept to a minimum. The first image is a better scale to me anyway, so mmc hits it spot on. IMO zetas bots aren't even close to masterpiece as they don't look anything like the toy or toon in alt or robot mode. Onslaught aside, they're just big chugs and I've said many times, the combined mode isn't sure what it's supposed to be. If people werent so enamored with the combined hugeness, I wonder if they would notice all the incorrectness. Being big doesn't cover that up for me. I want MPs that are toon and toy based.

 

Uhm... The size of combiners vs individual bots is on average even more out of whack than individual bots compared to each other.
I know there are people who want really huge combiners and MMC, Zeta and Fanstoys are working on those. So this is a rare case when different companies doing the same characters results in actual options.
The fact that the limb bots are carbot sized is pretty much the only excuse XTB has to work on Protectobots when MMC is working on the same team.
It's the only way this "war" will have any winners.
People who want big combiners can buy MMC's version, and people who want normal-sized individual bots can buy XTB's version... If they have a normal price-tag.

 

I think you mean DX9. MMCs combiner scale is 18"