Prima is the leader so that makes sense but they have nothing else in common.

Nexus Prime as Hera? Why?

Artemis is a hunter... Onyx is a beast... I think he'd more likely be hunted. I mean it could work is Onxy is a predator but none of his features seem to imply that he would be.

Makes sense I guess.

The next 4 are not even part of the Thirteen.

I don't think any of them were particularly fast... maybe Amagalgmous. But as the Messenger God wouldn't that be Alpha Trion? I mean he's more of a record keeper than a messenger but they're kinda similar.

That makes sense kinda...

I already said that one.

What?

There were originally 13 months on the calendar not 12.

That's a broken slab clearly a section of a larger piece.

Anyway you're missing the point... I said those are just the MOST WELL KNOWN but they are not the ONLY Greek Gods. Any refence to those 12 doesn't disprove that other gods weren't in the mythology.

List of Greek mythological figures - Wikipedia

There's a list of 14 Major gods right there if I did more searching I know I could find even more than those but 14 is enough to disprove the whole there's only 12 nonsense so why bother.

 

I thought the contention was not about whether there were more than 12 gods in the Greek pantheon but about whether there were more than 12 Olympians?

 

I've always hated any attempt to 'explain' gender in Transformers. Why? Just... why? it's always come off as stupid and awkward. Just let them be there! G1 Animated didn't have an explanation, and it was fine! Elita-One and her team, Arcee, nancy the Junkion were there and that's all.

 

And if humans can make transformers by manipulating the power of the mind, and this gave galvatron the ability to transform around missiles,

 

That's the same thing. All the God are from Olympus, they're all Olympians... except Hades who lives in the Underworld... So to say there are only 12 Olympians + Hades is the same as saying there are only 12 Greek gods + Hades.

I'm pretty sure I already mentioned that in an earlier post in the thread. Or that might of been a different topic... I'm not really sure at this point.

 

Yeah laugh at Blitzwing, laugh at the only Decepticon that totaled more Autobots in a single instance in the entire history of the war!
I might be exaggerating here, but it is hard to find one. Perhaps another good contender is Sixshot?

  

 

I'm not saying he's not a badass. I just think it trips out that he kept a football coach in a locker for military advice. That's funny.

 

Yeah, it's actually kind of interesting if you look at the episode. First off the Triple Changers pull a Starscream on Starscream. And did a much better job of it than he did. But then there's the plans they make. On the surface Astrotrain's seems much better. Just use CPU controlled trains to collect energy, as oppossed to Blitzwing's "Take advice from a footbal coach.

You'd be wrong. Not only does Astrotrain bungle his own plan, he bungles it so bad it negatively affects Blitzwing's plans, as it both thaws out Megatron, but also floods Blitzwing's zone defense. Which was so awesome Japan named an entire series after it. Now that's not to say Blitzwing didn't screw up big time. His mistake was trying to screw over the Constructicons. But he did a smart move, in that he got experts to help in the fields he wasn't good at, strategy and construction, and using them with what he was good at. Look at the ingenious murder system the Zone Defense and long bombs were. He could attack with impunity using his cannon as artillery. When groundbound autobots attack, he can easily outmanuver them by flying over the lybereinth, while crushing them once he has them in a situation where a tank can crush them. In truth he only failed because of his not treating those who helped him with the respect they deserved, a lesson for us all.

 

I thought the emoticons were sufficient to show that I was saying this in light hearted fun tone.

Yeah. My impression was at the time Blitzwing was as a new arrival to earth had no idea of it culture ergo the misconception with the coach et al. He manage to twist his advice into a working stratagem though. Blitzwing more so appears to be no fool in season three as well.

 

Oh yeah, it most definitely was. It's just that typing "Blitzwing kept a football coach in a locker for military advice" makes me laugh every time. That episode is one of the funniest ones in the entire G1 animated series. Another part that kills me is when Blitzwing asks Scrapper "How big is our zone defense?" and Scrapper's like "Hard to tell, all the others are lost in it."  

And yeah, like Negativedark said, the plan actually worked.

 

Well, there's Olympians and then there's Olympians. It is true that the title of "Olympian" can in one sense, be applied to gods besides the famous 12 (for instance, Hesiod refers to the Muses as "the Olympian Muses" for having been born on that mountain). However, the title of "Olympian" in another sense refers strictly to the to the 12 gods who rule therefrom. So for one to assert that there are only 12 Olympian gods (+ Hades) would not necessarily be the same as saying there were only 12 gods total (+ Hades). It would depend on the way in which "Olympian" was being used and in what context.

That said, there are other non-Olympian gods in the Greek pantheon besides Hades, pre- and post-Titanomachy (at least, by the Hesiodic account). Earth, Sky, Eros, Oceanus, and Erebus for instance, were non-Olympians. As were the many minor nature-based gods and folk deities which made their way into the mythos. Even the Titans are considered gods of sorts in various texts, none of whom originated from or ruled on Olympus.

 

That's the only G1 Episode I actually remember Blitzwing for... that and the scene in the movie where Kup redirects his cannon which Jazz also do to Brawl 2007.

Not really... there aren't even 12 who rule, there's only one, typically Zeus. Though technically that's not even entirely true either because Kronos ruled before Zeus, and his father before him. It always seem to be a title that was "passed down" from father to son.

I put that quotes cause they didn't actually pass it down willingly, Kronos killed his father and Zeus killed Kronos. I'm not sure if Kronos' father was ever named in Greek Mythology, he's mentioned but I've never found anything actually giving him a name which is why I just keep referring to him as Kronos' father. In Roman Mythology this would of been Uranus, I guess I could call him that but it seems wrong to toss a Roman name at him just cause I don't know the Greek name.  

This is also wrong. The Titans and other mythological beings were not gods. The title of "god" was only given to those on Olympus, Hades was also included even though he didn't technically live there because he is the same "species" so to speak, they're part of the same family. Figuratively and some times literally.

The Titans are about as close to gods as it gets without actually being gods themselves. They're immortal like gods but they don't have any of the other powers that the gods possess. They're essentially just immortal giants. The Titans and Gods don't even like each other. Especially Zeus and Prometheus.

Prometheus stole fire from the gods giving wisdom to man, and Zeus chained him to rock to have his liver eaten by a vulture every day. (It grows back because of the whole being immortal thing.)

Side note I think I still have my copy the Prometheus Unbound script on my desk... I literally WAS Prometheus once... Not really a public show, was a project in Drama... and another kid ate my liver... a sentence that is going to sound absolutely horrifying out of context...

One thing I learned in theater... especially walking into the green room several times in the middle of a conversion... it's very easy to say something out of context that sounds just horrible... or hilariously random... depends what was said.

 

The titans were the children of Gaia and ouranos. There were twelve titans so maybe they where the primes along with their mother.

 

Here I was using “rule” in the sense of the twelve being primary among the pantheon (Hades notwithstanding), not in the sense of them all sharing in the royal power of Zeus in any way. There is only one true king of the gods on Olympus, after all.

By the way, Kronos’ father’s Greek name is Ouranous, sometimes translated as “heaven” or “sky”.

In the Theogony (line 486), Hesiod refers to Kronos as “King of the Former Gods”, the phrase, “former gods” here referring to the Titans. (In some translations, the line reads, “the earlier king of the gods”, but I digress).

So, while the Titans were not of the same “species” as their children, the gods, the title of “gods” was sometimes bestowed upon them nonetheless.

While the gods and Titans did have their feud, there were instances of the gods getting... friendly with the Titans. Zeus wedded Mnemosyne, the sister of Kronos. By their union, the nine Muses were begotten. Similarly, Zeus mated with Themis, another Titan, and begot the Fates.

Sounds like quite the experience.

At any rate, it’s good to have find a fellow mythology enthusiast on this site!

 

I thought of a good one:

That time Slag asked to be called "Slug" because he was told by Arcee that his name was offensive. Slag, the Dinobot known for being a giant asshole to everyone including his own teammates. It'd be like if Bender was worried about offending someone.

 

Gaia's children have nothing to do with the Titans... Though since you bring it up I should mention that the number of Gods can be impossible to count because of Gaia alone. She was depicted as being constantly pregnant, having one child after another, so there are hundreds of minor gods and goddesses under Gaia who are never named as she NEVER FREAKING STOPS HAVING BABIES!

Though it could also be said that her children are figurative not literal... in the sense that she was the goddess of the Earth itself every living thing on the Earth is her child. So in that sense I guess the Titans would count but they aren't literally her children.

Kronos is a weird exception as he's both a God and a Titan, but he's the only one that applies to.

I'm not sure why his children aren't half Titans as well... I'd blame not understanding how genetics work but they seemed to understand that a Demi-God, half human, half god, needed a god and a human parent to work.

Maybe because the Mythology probably honestly started with Zeus and they worked backwards to come up with Kronos? Is he Greek equivalent of a Prequel retcon creating plot holes in the previously established continuity?

I wander how long the Greek Gods were seriously worshiped as an actual religion before people finally started to question these plot holes that don't make any sense.

 

That may be so, but the text I quoted refers to the Titans in general as the “former gods”, not just Kronos in particular, who is there referred to as their king.

In light of this, it seems that the idea of the Titans being “gods” (but not in the same way as their descendants) still stands.

I can’t give you specific dates off the top of my head, but by the time of Plato, the gods, though still worshiped, had taken on philosophical and symbolic significance. So the myths were often taken allegorically rather than literally.

 

Is that how they explained away his name change? Why not just have him change it himself because he feels like it and why does Arcee have to butt in on a Dinobot? That sounds like asking for trouble.

 

Actually, I think you'll find that Gaia had 16 children with her first born ouranus, twelve of those being the titans. Oh, I also happen to be Greek and my yaya (grandma) is a bit of an expert.

 

I very much love with the quote "How about you guys go build a bridge, and then fall from it"