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Discussion in 'Movies and Television' started by deathsheadx, Apr 5, 2008.

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    Troughton's sonic also had a light.
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    Not exactly the same. They had different colors and 10th's is more cracked than 9th's more smoother surface.
     
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    Right but the more commonly used classic era sonic from 3 to 8 did not.

    They were both cracked... As for the color variation, that's a production mistake. They are in universe intended to be the same sonic. In real life though I believe there were actually three or four different props. David Tennant kept the original prop he used during his run when he left the show. Matt Smith was actually using a different prop in the 11th Hour when he was suppose to still be using David Tannant's He didn't get his own Sonic till the end of that episode. In the 50th anniversary episode for some reason they wouldn't let David Tennant use the original prop and instead made a new prop just for that episode. The episode actually takes place just before his regeneration story as scenes of him interacting with the Ood from that episode were cut in and he mentioned getting married to Queen Elizabeth to that Ood in the original episode but if you watch both episodes the sonics don't completely match because they're different props.

    It's just a failure to color match correctly... and being color blind I assume the prop manager is too because I didn't notice any of these mistakes. They were all pointed out by VoteSaxon over on YouTube.
     
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    Most of the time the classic sonic screwdriver was used to open doors (presumably by using the sonics to loosen the mechanical components of the lock or something), with occasional other uses such as scanning for and detonating land mines (during the Sea Devils), things that if we squint we could mostly imagine sonics being employed for in some way. The Doctor made some adjustments allowing it to cut things in "The Dominators" and "Robot". It was destroyed during Peter Davison's time on the show because the producer felt that it made things too easy, and was not seen again until the Paul McGann 8th Doctor movie, so Doctors 2-5 had it and the rest did not, and the uses were fairly limited.

    The modern show does indeed depict it as a multi-tool, able to do many different things (hence my quip about the "magic wand"), so the Doctor clearly rebuilt and added a lot to it in the era between the old and new series.
     
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    In one of the new Who episode the Doctor says "It's not a weapon" in reference to the Sonic Screwdriver and I was watching that thinking "Did you forget about Sea Devils when you were using it to detonate land mines?"

    Six and Seven actually did have one, they just rarely used it. Mostly just for scanning things rather than the fix all plot device previous Doctors used it as.

    Yeah except a magic wand is completely different from a multi-tool. Magic Wands cast spells with no limitations and can manifest things from thin air. A Lantern ring is more of a Magic Wand but without the "wand" shape. The Sonic Screwdriver has limitations. It's not creating anything from nothing, there's no spells, it's just manipulating mechanical devices that already exist. It just doesn't do it in a very "screwdriver" like way...
     
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    No, they didn't. The fifth Doctor lost the sonic screwdriver in "The Visitation" and it did not return in any form for the remainder of the classic series. The Sixth Doctor had a "sonic probe" in "Attack of the Cybermen" which he used only in that one story, and it did not look or function like the sonic screwdriver. After "The Visitation" we did not see the sonic screwdriver again until the Paul McGann tv movie.
     
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    It's a magic wand. It does anything the plot requires it to do.
     
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    It's called a Sonic Lance and the 5th Doctor used it first so it was actually seen twice. The only device referred to as a Sonic Probe was made by Old Amy in Two Streams.

    The Seventh Doctor also had the exact same Sonic that Paul McGann used in the movie. He rarely ever used it though. And this should be evident by the fact that it's one of the items that the Doctor had on him before he even regenerated into Paul McGann during the movie.

    That's not even an argument. Lots of plot devices exist that can do whatever the plot requires it to do. That's not what makes something magic. It's magic when the story literally calls it magic or it can't be explained and the story makes no effort to try. Neither of which is the case for the Sonic Screwdriver which is literally a piece of technology in universe.

    A magic wand is just a stick, usually make of wood or plastic that makes things appear out of thin air for no reason. The Sonic Screwdriver has never done that.

    Any sufficiently advanced technology is virtually indistinguishable from magic. Remember that.
     
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    Now my top 10 favorite stories that do not feature Tom Baker.

     
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    Coming November 12.



    This animation rivals Beast Wars in quality.
     
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    So what is this exactly?
     
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    Animated series on the official Doctor Who youtube channel.
     
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    The BBC throwing anything they can against a wall trying to get fans back after the last two seasons, which has seen a large viewer decline, and also to fill the widening gap between seasons as the next series keeps getting pushed back.
    They are doing this, a bunch of comics, some special interactive thing with Tenneth, and special audios from Big Finish. All have a supposedly connected story, but most people won't care enough to buy all of them. I'm only getting the Big Finish ones because it's leading up to an audio adventure where the 8th and 10th doctor have a team up, that will star both Tenneth and McGann.
    But they seem unwilling to alter things from that awful retcon from last year, so other than a few things I hold out little interest and very little hope for the over all project. I fear things are going to get worse if they keep trying to push last years crazy retcon and expand on it.
     
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    See, I don't get this. The show has lost tons and tons of ratings, but according to BBC and Chibnall, the show is doing just fine and nothing needs to change. If it's just fine and nothing needs to change, why are they doing all of this stuff to get people back?

    BTW, I just discovered that my DVR has recorded The Faceless Ones as it apparently aired at some point, so I've got a new Troughton story to check out. SWEET!!!
     
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    A team up with the 8th and 10th?
    Don’t you freakin’ tease me man.
    I really hope that retcon gets dropped, explained away, whatever.
    I’ll just continue to ignore the current show and stick with BF. They have so much stuff coming out that I’m actually excited about.
     
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    Seen the Faceless ones, it's okay, but not one of the best Troughton stories, but you do get to see how Ben and Polly leave the group. The next story after Evil of the Daleks was much better and introduces Victoria. Plus I think the Dalek Emperor or Supreme Dalek.
     
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    Still trying to figure out why Rory is in it, but maybe he's playing a different character.
     
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    The description sounds like they might not interact. That would make me sad.
     
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    And another new game.....starring a more popular Doctor
     
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    The thing is... the show has ALWAYS had ups and downs in terms or ratings. A lot of people are only looking in the short term. Comparing the ratings to the previous season. But if you go back and look at the big picture... Comparing the first season of each Doctor, Jodi has actually GAINED ratings not lost them.

    I haven't really looked at the ratings for the second seasons so I'm not sure what's going on there. I imagine something similar though it would be unusual for ratings to continue dropping, normally they start coming back up with the second and third season of each Doctor.

    Doing all of what stuff to get people back? You mean bringing back classic villains in the second season... which they were always planning on doing anyway. They said no classic villains for the first season, and only the first season, they never said they wouldn't ever be coming back her entire run. So the fact that we're seeing returning villains in the second season isn't a marketing ploy to bring viewers back, it's something they were always going to do anyway.

    All that said... with the except of the Timeless Children being pretty much universally hated by EVERYONE the second season as a whole was generally a lot better than the first season. The first season was like a roller coaster, some of the episodes were decent others were bad, over all it was generally forgettable. Second season most of the episodes were good with two exceptions. I already mentioned the big one.

    The other episode I thought was really dumb was the vacation on what turned out to be a future version of Earth. There's three things that made this episode really dumb to me. First, it generally just wasn't even believable and should of been an alien planet rather than Earth. Second, how in your face preachy it was ending with the Doctor giving a speech directly to the damn camera. I'm fine if they want to put an environmental message into the episode, that's all well and good, but keep it part of the damn story, don't literally preach directly to the damn audience like they're too stupid to get the message on their own if you don't hammer it into their damn heads. And third... They did another episode with the SAME DAMN MESSAGE THE FOLLOWING WEEK! The second environmental message episode was more believable, less preachy, and over all the better of the two. They should of cut the first episode from the run cause they don't freaking need two episodes back to back with the same lesson. Put something else in that slot or make the season 1 episode shorter. That stupid vacation on future Earth episode was poorly written, poorly executed, and unnecessary. Still not as bad the Timeless Child. I mean they had the Master in the Timeless Child, my favorite villain ever, it's hard to go wrong when the Master in the main villain... and some how they went wrong. And so many continuity problems created by that one episode.

    I need to stop now... I've already ripped into how bad the Timeless Child is, I don't need to get into this again.
     
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    That's most likely because people were giving Jodi a chance but many didn't bother coming back for her second season given how bad the first was.

    Things like this animated movie and crap.

    No, I don't care about classic villains, I just want good writing. Tom Baker's second and third seasons are the greatest seasons of the franchise and those didn't feature any of the earlier villains from the show, yet the stories were still spectacular.

    Actually, it is time to bring some of those villains back like Sutek, or at least his race, the plant creatures from Seeds of Doom, Morbius, the race from Hand of Fear, Weng-Chiang, etc.

    The only reason the second season was better was because of Spyfall. Otherwise, I pretty much agree with everything you said about the awful social commentary. Chibnall should go and watch The Green Death to see how a message SHOULD be done.