We could just bar them from the thread. No reason for those of us who want to discuss the topic sensibly to suffer.

 

My guy, why did you have to start handing out insults - now y'all can't argue no more. It was so fun to read  .

 

Technically he started, I'm just more direct with them

 

There are examples of officials doing a poor job of investigation or following up all of the time.

So you say even more things that aren't true.

Because there actually ARE posters with Decepticons on there. Below the "Report Alien Activity" posters are posters with Decepticon protoforms or similar Decepticons depicted.

You use words like, "dumbfuck," because you have no argument. As I have demonstrated, you have said many things that are not true at all. I don't care if you have a different opinion from me regarding the movies, but I do care about 1) stating things that are false and 2) calling other people, "dumb ass," and, "dumbfuck," when it's abundantly clear you are saying things that are demonstrably false to bolster your arguments.

The world wars are still, in the grand scheme of things, recent things. Furthermore, there have still been plenty of major wars that have affected multiple countries and regions in recent times. That was my point and not that the current wars have been called world wars.

The one who initially responded to the other was you. It's like everything you say is nonsense. I don't know if you're capable of having a reasonable, respectful conversation, but so far, you have demonstrated no ability to do so on here.

 

This isn't just any job, this is banning an entire species from a planet, that's not the kinda job where people would do poorly at investigating it

Where, you mean this one?

I mean that's Galvatron, aka the good guy in KSIs eyes. Plus I don't recall this one being in the movie or that Blackout looking guy in front of the black poster
Even so the Optimus and Bee ones are hell of a lot more noticeable

Like you haven't

Or maybe I'm just a very vulgar person
No but please continue giving me a psychological study

Recent as in the last one was well over 80 years ago and has changed the way humanity works for forever. There's a reason there hasn't been a world war in 80 years because of how impactful the last one was
Also how the fuck did we get to WW2 talking about these movies

No you just don't seem to be able to read properly. Dude was talking about insults, which is what you started doing, just not directly.

Anyway a mod told us to stop so how long you wanna keep this going

 

Yes, to clarify: you guys can argue for another 400 pages for all I care, as long as you aren't resulting to insults and hostility. Have some perspective; we aren't discussing politics or morality or ethics or anything serious that should come anywhere near inciting any kind of anger. All that's coming to a head here is opposing views on a couple of movies. If you seriously cannot make a pleasant, insult-free post, or if you won't ignore and report another user's posts when they are insulting, then it's better for everyone if you just move on.

 

We are talking about robots in disguise. Robots who can disguise themselves as vehicles and machines. We're not talking about a giant billboard or monument that would be visible every day to thousands or millions of people. And not millions or thousands of robots in disguise, but, at most, dozens, and perhaps even fewer. After all, Attinger says, "Fewer than a dozen Decepticons are still on the run thanks to our CIA unit, Cemetery Wind." Given that they were using the guise of hunting Decepticons to hunt the Autobots, it's certainly possible that's the total number of Transformers Cemetery Wind is aware of: fewer than a dozen.

If the six or seven metre-long Chinese paddlefish, possibly the largest freshwater fish, can disappear from the Yangtze and not be seen for years and be declared extinct years after the last sighting, and if ISIS can destroy entire ancient cities in modern times, and the destruction is not discovered until later, then I can believe Lockdown and Cemetery Wind can hunt a relatively small amount of robots in relative secrecy and the higher ups not fully understand what's going on until after it's all happened.

So? Who cares?

The point is, they're still there. You can't claim that there aren't posters of Decepticons. I literally said where; they're underneath the "Report Alien Activity" posters. It's in the footage and not the images you posted.

I'm honest to a fault. I am a very facts-based person, and when I have an opinion, I am able to separate my opinion from the facts, but I absolutely support my opinions with facts, like I just did in my responses to you.

I wasn't even describing your mind. I was describing your actions. And what you said about the movie, like saying the White House knw all about Cemetery Wind hunting the Autobots, was demonstrably false.

I never hurled insults at you. Having a heated argument is not the same as hurling insults.

If you don't want to discuss, you don't have to respond.

 

Didn't they have drones that find heat sigs when hunting Ratchet? Alt modes become pretty useless when they can just scan them using heat. Just do large scans over certain areas with vehicles and finding them should be fairly easy.
There's also the reports of the missions, wouldn't people wanna see those? These reports exist for a reason. Going after the entire Autobot army and hiding it isn't all that easy given how many there are.
That being said why didn't Optimus figure this out either.

I ask again, where.
you mean this one?

I mean that's Galvatron, aka the good guy in KSIs eyes. Plus I don't recall this one being in the movie or that Blackout looking guy in front of the black poster
Even so the fact the movie spends more time showing us the Autobot posters means we as the viewer get the idea the Autobots get the most blame.

When did I ever says he knew ALL about it. I said he was clearly aware there was a hunt

"Referring to the films as "dogshit" is the hyperbolic, knee-jerk fan reaction to the Bay movies."
Pretty much just indirectly calling me a hyperbolic and knee-jerking.
I don't give a damn what you call me, just don't act all surprised if I respond back with my own insults

When did I ever say I didn't want to keep this going

 

Yeah, but those drones still can't cover huge areas. They covered small areas, and America and the world are big expanses. Plus, CW still used phone calls and tips from citizens about Transformers. And if CW received a tip about an Autobot, would they tell the White House or any other government authority? No, because they were rogues within the CIA and doing things in secret.

But they were hardly an "army" at that point. By the time Ratchet is killed, only five Autobots are alive and uncaptured on Earth*. We're talking about a handful of fugitives and not a legion of robots.

*Yes, The Last Knight introduces Hot Rod, some old Transformers from World War days, and shows Topspin in Cuba as well and Wheelie in the Dakotas, but I'm talking about what we see in Age of Extinction and not what's revealed in the other movies.

I literally said to watch the footage. Not the pictures of Galvatron. Please read what I actually say.

But either way, regardless of what KSI thought about Galvatron, if the general public were to see Galvatron's face without knowing about KSI building their own robots, they would think he was another Cybertronian. He fits within their anti-Transformer goals regardless.

Of Decepticons. He wasn't aware they were hunting the Autobots.

Then use some actual facts to back up your arguments. When I'm saying you have no argument, I mean it's flimsy.

You can't claim the White House knew about Cemetery Wind hunting the Autobots, when it's abundantly clear from the movie they thought they were hunting Decepticons. There's no evidence the White House did know about Lockdown and Cemetery Wind hunting Autobots. The movie shows the opposite.

The anti-Transformers pictures are not evidence that the general public or the White House was aware Cemetery Wind was hunting the Autobots; they're just indications of anti-Transformers sentiment. That's it!

Saying a response is knee-jerk or hyperbolic is hardly the same thing as calling another member a, "dumb ass," or, "dumbfuck."

 

Well then just have a bunch drones flying around areas or develop better ones.
Honestly what the hell does this point even have to do with what we were arguing about in the first place again?

"At that point"
In DOTM they were practically an army. So when they started killing them they were an army.

Dude you edited that afterwards, can't read what wasn't there, genius
And yeah I saw them, way below so harder to notice than the Optimus and Bee ones. Point is the focus was still on them.
Still interesting to note how those say "He is watching" while the Autobot ones say "Hate"

No shit, I never said he was

Irony

The funny thing is is that I never claimed that, yet you're here telling me how to argue. Uh huh
What I said was that there was blame put on the Autobots, otherwise those posters wouldn't be there. You don't put the face of the leader of the faction that saved you on a hundred posters without thinking he is to blame too. And those beliefs must've grown from something

And the fact people hate them

Pretty sure the levels of insult doesn't matter much

 

You claim the humans had drones which could detect heat, which is true. I responded by saying they were small and had a limited area.

However, don't turn around and act as if it has nothing to do with what we were talking about when you were literally the one who started talking about drones.

LoL what? At the end of DotM, the only Autobots we knew for certain were still alive were Optimus, Bee, Ratchet, Sideswipe, Dino, and the three Wreckers. Hardly a big army. Less than two full handfuls. When Hound, Drift, and Crosshairs arrived is unknown' maybe they were on Earth elsewhere at the moment; maybe they were still off world.

I did that to clarify my point, but more importantly, I had previously told you in the previous post where they could be seen, and you still ask, "Where are they?"

This is what you wrote earlier in the thread:

What are some good ideas the movies had

Let me quote you:

"There's literally a guy who speaks on behalf of the White House. The president is fully aware of the hunt and if he knows, the US knows and if they know, I'm pretty sure the rest of the world knows too.
Also if it was only Decepticons, explain this:"

I explained how Cemetery Wind was hunting Autobots under the guise of hunting Decepticons. This is undeniable based on Attinger's speech during the montage of footage, Attinger saying he needs to find Yeager, because the official media story is that they are targeting a Decerpticon target, etc.! Yet you respond with the quote above. You're making it sound as if the White House knew CW was hunting Autobots, despite the WH official initially thinking they were still the government's friends. And even after the WH official's conversation with Attinger, he still doesn't know the Autobots were actively being hunted, only that Attinger wanted them gone from our planet. The WH official thought that ONLY Decepticons were being hunted by CW, but you say, "Also, if it was only Decepticons, explain this:," and post a picture of the propaganda, as if the WH MUST know CW was hunting the Autobots because of some posters. Those posters have nothing to do with what the WH does or doesn't know.

But there's zero indication there's any connection between the White House and those propaganda posters. Are we shown the President or White House officials putting up those posters? Does the White Official's dialogue indicate an awareness or connection to the posters? No!

It flies in the face of everything shown in the movie to suggest the White House had anything to do with those posters. The White House official was under the impression the Autobots were on good terms with the government. Cemetery Wind was a rogue black ops group and not a White House-directed faction. In fact, CW was almost certainly involved with some of the posters, because some of them say to, "Report Alien Activity," and have a number to call.

If you don't think there's a difference between saying a post is knee-jerk and hyperbolic on the one hand and calling someone a "dumbfuck" on the other, I don't know what to tell you.

 

Here we go again...

 

It's never ogre...

 

Well you were the first one who started talking about how hard it was finding alien robots who can transform, which had nothing to do with what I mean by "investigating"

Yeah for humans that'd be a small army, not for giant robot death machines. Not a single Autobot died in the Chicago battle from what we know, compare them to the numbers the Decepticons had. These dude's are an army.

That's because when I edited me original post that had this point you literally replied to it the moment I was done editing it so I figured I'd sent it again.

Local man can't admit he took something the wrong way and is now screeching over a point nobody ever made

All I said was the president was aware of a hunt. That's it. Not the Autobots being hunted, but a hunt. And yet nobody questioned what they were doing about the Autobots, especially after generic mcbaddy man said "Optimus Prime. Here. Illegally"

Once again I never said the White House blamed them. What I was saying that the Autobot did get blamed for it. By who? Fuck if I care, but by plenty of people given how many posters there are.

Yeah no shit, cause I never said the White House put those posters up, genius. All I said was that the movie intentionally shows us the Autobots were being hated despite having saved the world three times in a row.

 

I gave an explanation as to why finding robots in disguise...robots disguised as machines and vehicles...might not be easy on Earth if there were only a dozen or so on the entire planet. If you are investigating the whereabouts of Transformers, that might include using drones or citizens calling the CW phone number

How do you know that's not a small army for Transformers? Fact is, Transformers are a critically endangered species in the time period of the Bay movies. There are very few robots left on Earth after DotM until they start arriving in many waves in The Last Knight. Transformers, or at least Cybertronians, exist in a fraction of the numbers they once did. What we see briefly from a distance at the beginning of DotM? That would have been the norm when there were big armies of robots.

Even on the Decepticon side, we're not talking about legions of robots. In DotM, there might be well over a hundred in Chicago (there are certainly many dozens), but even that's probably nowhere near the armies seen during the height of the war.

Q died in Chicago. Not to mention Sentinel Prime was technically an Autobot and not a Decepticon!

Don;t make a point about the White House knowing about CW hunting Decepticons AND then say, "Also, if it was only Decepticons, explain this;" Adding that at the end makes it sound like you are saying CW knew about them hunting Decepticons.

If you're going to complain about others misreading your posts, maybe focus on writing your points more clearly.

Then don't post those pictures in a way that makes it seem like you are implying the White House knew about it. If you took a little more time to write more clearly, maybe you wouldn't be having this issue with getting your point across!

 

Idea to make Transformers movie better.

1. Transformers disguise in human technology, that cannot be detect by heat seeker. We here talk bout Transformers that can ambush in city or anywhere like Military Base/White house.
2. All Decepticons to have own name and characters. Makes them hard to defeat. The military are unable to defeat them with human weapons. Only Autobots can defeat them. We don't need many unknown Decepticons in one movie, just let us have not more than 10 recognize Decepticons then will be fine. (maybe 5 of them are Team to form Combiner)
3. Advance Transformers weaponry. We need weapons that are powerful and unique instead of Machine gun/missiles. Etc weapons system in District 9's robot. EachTransformers should have it's own special weaponry. Like TF1 Blackout plasma cannon is one of the best weaponry so far. I personally hope that we will have Sonic wave, Electric thunder, Laser, Plasma, Invisible protecting shield or weapon that are beyond our imagination.
4. Making storyline straigh forward and not refer back to human history event. If history from Cybertron is acceptable. For previous sequel idea such as Human ancient, World War and King Arthur was just a mess.
5. Transformers design should look accurate like in Cartoon but need to be more advance. At least the colour and basic shape should be the same. For example, Soundwave, Bumblebee and Optimus have the best design yet. Meanwhile, The Devastator, Jetfire and Que design was quite disappointed as it's totally different with G1. I personally dislike those robots look like human face as Michael Bay said it will be more emotional.
6. More on Transformers screentime rather than Human. But a touching relationship moments with human lead and between Transformers are needed.
7. Makes them more capable in battle. Just don't die in few seconds without a real fight between them. Bring in more intense/stylish action scenes that can pleased Audiences. For ROTF Devastator moments, I was personally thinking that Constructions to fight with Autobots before they combine to form Devastator. But was turn out totally wrong to present it.

Sorry for my bad english, I just hope that filmakers can improve in future movies.

 

Okay but why. What did it even have to do with anything

Transformers aren't humans, they need lesser numbers in comparison to us. One Transformer can take on like a dozen humans, if not more.
Also the fact a group of like what, 10 Autobots? Is able to take on 100 Decepticons is pretty much just a small army, dude

Right, Albert Einstein, forgot he existed. Still that's one Autobot. A single one. Compare that to the amount of Decepticon deaths.
Sentinel doesn't count and I don't have to explain why.

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- Protoform / Cybertronian designs
- Preservation of mass in alt / robot mode
- Transformations where the wheels remain on the ground as long as possible so the robot can transform on the move
- Integrated weaponry (though this was seemingly abandoned in later movies)
- Barricade!
- Old man Jetfire
- Satellite Soundwave
- Transformers tied into / influencing Earth's history, specifically in DOTM
- Sentinel Prime's depiction / influence on the theme of the movie
- Humans hunting Autobots and trying to make their own Transformers
- Dinobots as ancient warriors

One of the things I thought was a bad idea, or at least poorly executed, was NEST. It makes total sense that the Autobots would ally with the military, but the way it was handled in ROTF and DOTM was that they were just props who did what Lennox and co. told them to do. (i.e., military shoots at Decepticon for a while, Lennox: "We need Ironhide!", Ironhide arrives and shoots a few bullets, battle over) They didn't exist beyond being tools of NEST. DOTM made a few improvements to this but couldn't entirely shake that feeling.

That's why I really like the way AOE changed things up.

 

I'm beginning to think you're just trying to argue for the sake of it.

I'm not talking about how many robots are needed to take on humans. I'm talking about the robots on their own terms. And the squads of Transformers seen in the present day on both sides are a fraction compared to the height of the war on Cybertron. Consequently, I don't think any of the squads of robots we see on Earth in the Bay movies are "large armies."

So?

Also, you realize Dino was planned at one point to get killed, but Ferrari was against it. Like it or not, sometimes having deals with car companies can limit what you can do with individual robots.

Well, actually, that would be a giant Transfan. Now ogre Transfans, oh, they're much worse. They'll make a new toy from your freshly broken Masterpiece. They'll rip off your favorite figure's limbs, squeeze the feces from your shitposts... Actually, it's quite funny on your doorstep.