That's a really good point about Galvatron vs Rodimus, Max. I think the pace works nicely chiming in with the downturn for Unicron, but mano e mano, it definitely needs more than just him scooping up the equally powerful other guy and tossing him out like a swatted fly.

2./ Tonally, I (mostly) agree about Autobot city and its immediate aftermath as distinct from the rest of the movie in quality, which is matched for me only by the perfection of the opening two Sunbow episodes of More Than Meets The Eye (sorry, but NOTHING beats lamppost Soundwave, Frumble at Sherman dam, or Hound and Cliff v Laserbeak.)

With the exception, perhaps, of Unicron's awe-inspiring transformation sequence and aspects of Quintessa, where we part ways in our opinion.

3./ The problem is that whole mid-section of the movie on Quintessa throws up some of the movie's darkest/most memorable highlights ("Spare me this mockery of justice!"; "Guilty or innocent?"; Hot Rod and saw hand vs robo-squid to hair metal) AND some of its weakest and most child-like (Wheelie, "ex-squeeze me!" etc.)

The dividing line seems to be anything to do with the Dinobots, who are played 100% for comic relief while the fate of Kup & Hotrod in the imperial magistrate is all pretty grave, Marvel-esque feeling stuff: probably the most Marvel comics vibe I've ever gotten from the toon, actually.

But again, the nano-second the Dinobots rock up, the Sharkticons get trashed like skittles; the entire threat level and peril of the sequence is diminished. They had some great and funny moments in TFTM (though my fave is still the quiet one of Swoop scouting out a fruitless of the area, for some reason!) But as heavy cumbersome beasts on a waterworld of spiky traps & tentacles they needed to lose one of their crew in TFTM (which might as well have been Snarl, seeing as he never bothered to show up!)

4./ Magnus: agree with you entirely. More could have been done with him on all levels; he was basically a foil to set up Rodimus' rightful leadership - the end. The superior portrayal of his doubt in Seige was one of its more interesting highlights, imho.

5./ As for Weck-Gar's crew, there's no getting around the fact that the Junkions are the weak point, tonally - and in that outright interlude of madness, we also get most of Magnus' ineffectualism, not to mention the bulk of the slapstick material with Daniel and his exo-suit for the under 8's in there too.

But even then, I have a begrudging soft spot for Magnus' abject failure as a leader and Wreck-Gar as a TV-addled kook.   Love him or loathe him, he adds colour, and is a bearable weak point of the whole for me, as opposed to a deal-breaker.

I'm also glad they made the effort to reach out and explore new worlds' visuals. It gave a chance for the concept artists to shine where a movie set solely between earth and Cybertron would've felt like less of a departure from the TV series.

Instead, we get the freaky architecture and weirdsville beards.   It made the movie feel its own thing.


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This is another aspect where I feel the G.I. Joe movie is better than the TF movie. Falcon actually fights against both Serpentor and Golobulus and struggles a lot with that, which made the battle much more engaging than the Hot Rod/Galvatron battle.

And General Hawk got to kick ass, so that already gives him an advantage over Ultra Magnus.

 

A pity not to have taken advantage of the launch of the Blu Ray to animate these scenes(storyboards) that were left out.

 

I get people just want to see all their favs show up, some of which to die but I genuinely think The Touch loses momentum with its pacing with these extra scenes.

 

Never cared for GI Joe so didn't see that, but it would show that they learned from this. Except for the entire lack of (good) Rodimus vs Galvatron fights in season 3.

Originaly it would've been. An earlier draft of the script shows a much bigger fight (with Rodimus initially losing). I think they wanted to show how incredibly powerful Rodimus was and of course there was the bigger threat of Unicron, but I've lamented this easy victory from my first viewing.

I was more of a Marvel fan, but I always liked the cartoon episodes where the Decepticons were winning for the most part (MTMTE, Ultimate Doom). Those felt more real to me, and thus the first part of the movie connects more with me (nothing to do with the characters in it -- altough I consider Blurr a weak copy of the far more interesting Bluestreak, and Kup a poor mans Ironhide). Plus I was used to their being casualties in TF fiction (the marvel comics) which I missed in the cartoon and we suddenly got here.

And thus the second part of the movie I liked a lot less. No injuries (and those that we did get were immediately fixes), the Autobots were supposedly in big danger, but they easily overcome it all and the Decepticons threat is almost non-existent. Again, a good Magnus vs Galvatron fight would've solved this (Galvaton is pretty lame in it anyway, just pushing some buttons and declaring that Unicron is not his master).

For me, truth be told, I never liked the Quintessons. Not in the movie, not in the cartoon. Useless opponents and not very interesting. When I finally read the Marvel UK comics it definitely got better, but it wasn't until I read James Roberts Eugenesis novel that I finally could accept Quintessons as a viable threat and having played a part in the creation of the TF's.

But in the movie it's the very presence of the Quintessons that ruins the middle part for me. You're right in that it's mostly a pretty dark scene. Maybe it would've been more interesting if Kup and Hot Rod would've been found guilty. You would at least wonder what would make them different from the Lithonian who was executed because he was not guilty. But I dislike what comes next: Hot Rod and Kup driving along the side of the Sharkticon pit causing a Vortex. The Dinobots showing up did little for me to diminish it. Actually, they helped because the Dinobots vs the Sharkticons made sense.

It starts for me earlier: he's almost completely absent from the battle for Autobot City. There was a deleted scene (where he still sported his Diaclone colours) where he was doing something, plus the "deleted scene" where he drove the 85 cars, but with those gone he does nothing. And then he becomes leader and you really wonder why. Especially with him protesting and his "I can't deal with that now" line

In comparison, in season 3 it's Ultra Magnus who's the active one, the big fighter, while Rodimus is delegated to being sidelined and complaining.

 

And here I stopped reading.

 

Thanks for admitting that one part of a sentence that is elaborated on further in this thread is too much for you to handle so you can't read the rest of a post that has barely anything to do with said sentence any further.

 

The 86 movie is overrated.

 

Sorry kid, you lack the experience to put something from a different era into the right perspective and that was just the last part that proved your post a waste of time. Just a overly long post of a teen in his post puberty trying to be edgy. Your whole schtick from your nick and your whole behavior. I just clicked the thread to see if I find what I expected and yup, it was exactly that. I mean, come on, look at your thread title. It reads as if you were expecting we were waiting for your "analysis"?  

 

And you're a 39 year old that got upset some edgelord on the internet called your childhood movie bad. Don't try to act like you're better than me

 

Overrated, overexposed, over-a lot of things.

 

Personally, I wouldn't waste the effort paying this kid (or his troll-tastic "analysis) any of the attention he is so obviously seeking. I also remember being 19 years old and talking out of my ass, making cringe-worthy uninformed statements too.
(But I'll admit I laughed when the kid said the animation in AKIRA looks terrible. Sure kid, whatever you say!)

 

Do you seriously as a 45 year old man have nothing better to do than bitch about some "Kid' on a Transformers forum?

 

I never hear anyone outside of the Transformers community ever talk about it, let alone them calling it one of the greatest animated movies ever created.

 

I view the 86 movie the same way I view the Star Wars prequels: they're not good movies and a lot of my love for them comes from other media that expands upon concepts introduced in the movies. With the prequels, we got the Clone Wars that retroactively makes the Prequels a lot more interesting. Season three of Transformers is similar (although nowhere near the quality of Clone Wars) in that it expands upon what was set up in the movie and explains some of the lore presented.

 

Good stuff. I think those two sequences would have addressed many of the Autobot no-shows ... especially Mirage v Bombshell, which I hadn't seen before. From a story point of view, I suppose the Insecticons had their brief moment though (i.e: chewing through the gate), so I can understand them leaving it.

It's always very conspicuous what Megatron was looking at in that darkened corridor moments before he turns to face Prime so that married up quite nicely showing the deleted sequence with Devvy just beforehand.

 

If the whole movie was that quality you might have a point. But it is not.

Brief moments of quality do not bring the average up enough to distract from many moments of rigidity, choppiness, and flat out poor drawings. Not to mention the errors.

 

What errors?

 

Quick typo there I fixed for ya.  

Really, swings us right back to the Act.III rubber shark in Jaws analogy I outlined earlier. For some it is a dealbreaker and ruins the stronger earlier sections of the movie; for others it is not (or they can compartmentalise/ignore it stacked up to the whole) and that balanced 'average' of worth is a wholly subjective viewer phenomenon very little to do with objective truth.

But objectively speaking: you're absolutely right in so far as there ARE errors and some patchier areas of animation compared to others for sure. Generally I always find the latter half contains more lapses into laziness (notwithstanding continuity errors of guys like: Swoop, Shockwave and Ironhide rocking up in the early phases of the battle for Autobot city. On Prime's imminent shuttle, on Cybertron, ALREADY DEAD, respectively.  )