To be fair I don't think @Sup3hobo is being a 'Hater', he's just ill-informed, it's an easy mistake to make if you've not been paying attention... hopefully he now has access to the evidence he needs.
Please, please, my ego is already big enough. But seriously, thank you. I appreciate you saying that.
My problem with people saying Tigatron shares engineering with Cheetor is that it’s so obvious after a few seconds of looking at the toy that it’s impossible. Like just by looking at the non-faked chest and the legs, you can tell they transform nothing like Cheetor, meaning the rest of the toy must transform differently simply because those changes would preclude any aspects of Cheetor carrying over.
I mean, it's not that I don't agree, I do, but everyone has preconcieved notions about things in various scenarios, and end up using faulty thinking or ignoring evidence to support those notions. There have definitely been times in my life where I thought something or didn't see something and people quesiton how I managed to come to a conclusion or miss something so plainly in sight. It happens. I personally really care about beast wars and stared down Tigatron as soon as I saw him, like we all did, but for people where it doesn't matter to them as much, they might have given it a glance, made up some assumptions, and then forgot that other people may have looked closer or saw more images than they did. It happens.
First of all, I never put any negative ill-will towards Tigatron and I greatly look forward to it. I hope it turns out well and there are very limited QC issues. Second, yes I understand Tigatron is larger than Cheetor and has some new engineering and new sculpt to match how Tigatron looked in the show. However, I do not believe that Tigatron has ZERO influence from how TT designed Cheetor. I mean am I looking at the wrong MP Tigatron? To say they do not share some design philosophies or similarities to me is hard to believe. I do not imagine the transformation is 100% reimagined with not a single thing similar to how Cheetor transformed. I am sure a good chunk of the transformation has been revamped, but 100% of it? I don't see how it could be. Finally, there is no need to come off as condescending as you did with that comment. It is comments like these is the reason why I avoid official MP threads these days. The amount of snark in these threads just reaks of toxicity. Enjoy Tigatron guys.
We do. Tf enthusiasts and fans.... new transformers and new molds and new engineering is fun for us. you don’t care? Maybe that’s why you’re into KOs. You’re not really into this line. You want Champaign flavor for beer prices. Cool man. Hope you get what you want. Keep collecting.
Cause transforming toys are fun. Learning how they transform is fun. When the transformation is the same, then I don't get to learn a new one and it is less fun. New transformation is more fun. I like fun, therefore, I like new transformation. This leads me to caring. Thank you, you proved me wrong. I DO get to post it again. Please read this. Thoroughly. Then come back and tell me what you think is the same. It's okay to have an opinion, but let's make it an informed one.
But I also like Tigatron. Having new engineering means I get to have my cake and eat it too. I mean, you know what's stranger than caring about new engineering? Caring about other people caring. You don't care? That's fantastic. Why are you here in this thread talking about it? Doesn't sound like not caring me to me. Perhaps the way I feel about new engineering, you feel about trolling? Who knows. I'd love some insight about what it is you're actually doing.
Whoah! You try to be nice and this happens! I do hope you're condescending comment is not aimed at me, there's certainly some condescension at play here but I certainly intended none. Indeed if you go back to the many pages of debate about this issue you'll find I was (and to a small extent still am but don't want to bang my head against that particular brick wall any longer) largely on your 'side' of this overwrought debate. The evidence however has brought me round to believe there is little shared engineering, maybe none... I do however feel there's gotta be some carry over from the design process of Cheetor to Tigatron, purely becuase they inhabit what is essentially the same robot body. There's a lot of binary bollocks on these forums, you're ever a right or wrong, good or bad, a fanboy or a hater, a 1 or a 0 and there are no shades in-between for many. For what it's worth I was, in my peculiar, way attempting to defend you from that and remove myself from the crowd that might be deemed as piling in on you. I hope of that wasn't clear before it is now
Tone is so hard to pick up on in a forum. I always try to remain respectful, even when I'm knee-deep in a debate with someone, but even just trying to be "matter-of-factly" to avoid emotionaly charged language ends up coming across as condescending. It's just so hard to get the tone right when you disagree with someone. All he knows is he came on here, expressed a thought and got a whole bunch of people telling him he's factually wrong. Your response, read the wrong way, can definitely seem like you were in on the joke and he was just a fool for walking in without knowledge. That's not your fault, that's the nature of typed out text. On topic... I'm geuninely surprised we haven't had a full blown leak of Tigatron yet. People have Kingdom figures months in advance, but no one is posting a full set of Tigatron photos yet? I mean, at this point there isn't anything to spoil, I just want to see more fun pictures of him to tie me over till I get him! What's going on here?
Heh, now THAT reads as condescending! Seriously though, I'm no noob to internet forums or the ambiguity of typed communication, no need for the lecture I imaging TonTon wasn't able to get a sample smuggled out (maybe because this ones being produced in Vietnam?)... Plus he's showing quite the bias against MP of late.
I was going for a "i know how ya feel buddy" kinda comment. Irony. I mean, there are like, 8 different reviews of Rattrap now. It isn't just TonTon. Figured SOMEONE would have some images to share. And yeah, his comments and shitty transformations about Masterpieces were just... weird.
I was so excited when I saw Tigatron on the front page, I thought another leak had revealed the rumored Kingdom version. My hopes were kinda dashed when I saw it was the MP version. I’m just gonna go back to playing with my original 90s Tigatron now and wait…
I think we need to remember that at the end of the day, these are toys. Toys we love and care about. That being said, none of this matters when compared to real world issues so tfw2005 should be used as a place to discuss some transformers with like minded people. I think sometimes it’s taken wayyyy too seriously lol. Just try to keep this hobby in perspective guys
I appreciate your assistance and I apologize if you took my post as something against you. The condescending comment was meant for other members being a little ridiculous. I appreciate folks are being passionate and love Tigatron, I do too. With that being said, I'm done with this thread and I'm sorry I bothered posting in this thread.