Dune

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    My wife is more obsessed with Dune than me.
     
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    Curious how Villeneuve may have made a starker world but that may mean it's the closest to the actual novel.
     
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    I haven’t really delved into Warhammer either
     
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    I won't lie this trailer actually made me hopeful for the movie. Having read the books and seen the TV shows/movie, this seems far closer to the source than those. Especially the shields and their effects, and the sandworms, while the CGI isn't great, look the right size. Also yay, ornithopters!
    I see Jason Momoa is in this too, need to refresh my Dune memory to see whom he plays.

    It makes sense from a biological standpoint. Sandworms might attack humans and other large sized animals but they don't naturally feed on them, or evolved to feed on that. They eat "sand plankton" so it makes sense that they have baleen-like protuberations in their mouths to filter them out of the sand, like whales
     
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    Mamoa is playing Duncan Idaho if memory serves me correctly.
     
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    I read Dune as a kid - my dad was a huge sci-fi and fantasy fan so we had lots of books (those that were allowed past the iron curtain, that is) at home. Later on I played Dune II on Win3.1, maaaan the memories. I to this day wish they added House Ordos to the story somehow, they were so enjoyable as these G1/Animated Swindle-like opportunists.
    Frankly I have only vague memories of the 2000 TV show. The David Lynch movie was less accurate to the source, but memorable.
    Dune has added some very interesting concepts to sci-fi. As people said, pretty sure GW stole their "navigators" or whatever they are called from Dune. The gist of it is, space travel requires such super complex calculations only beings evolved to do this can accomplish it (due to alluded to war against AI and machines, computers have been banned), and they requite a drug derived from the "spice" for their trance. The Spice can only be found on Arrakis, thus whoever owns it basically controls space travel and thus the galaxy. The Emperor (who rules as a hereditary position, but has to govern the galaxy in allegiance with the great houses) assigns House Atreides to govern Arrakis, but this is a trap, the Emperor fears Atreides is growing too strong and has allied with House Harkonnen to topple them.
    The novel deals with a lot of metaphysical stuff beyond the sci-fi and politics, as while the great houses just look at Spice as a commodity for space travel (and to extend life), the nomadic native Fremen of Arrakis attribute a quasi-religious significance to it, and it proves to be able to make people transcend human thought, as it happens with Alia, Paul's sister.

    Oh I knew he plays Duncan, it just has been ages since I read the book and I needed to familiarize myself with the character names. He was the swordmaster who trained Paul and worked with the Fremen.
    Pity that means he will not have a large role, as he is killed while helping Paul escape the Harkonnen
     
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    Dune's timespace-folding FTL drive, essentially being a Krasnikov theory in practice, that thing would be unusable without something like prescience because otherwise you'd be always jumping blind. Unless there was some kind of an impossible future technology allowing you to know (in real time and accurately) what's at the exit point of your jump. It's a nice touch of hard sci-fi in this setting.
     
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    See The Warp of WH40k fame and Event Horizon for the consequences of doing that without proper protections :p 
     
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    That'd be more mundane but also more "kaboom" in a setting like Dune with no supernatural dimension to swallow you.

    Jump from the Solar System to the Alpha Cenaturi.

    But remember that what you know about your point of destination is not the current state, but how it looked over four years ago...

    But since your stardrive is essentially an artificial wormhole generator, you're directly bridging two points in timespace. You're getting there in an instant.

    Without any kind of precognition or an FTL scanning device... Cross your fingers that your point of destination didn't change in the meantime. There's no space trash or a comet passing. Or the local star didn't go nova.

    The longer is the jump distance the worse is going to be this case of the spaceflight Russian roulette. The cosmic space is not static, after all.
     
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    A quick Primer of 40k Warp travel:
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    It has one mistake. Astropaths aren't navigators. They're human long range communication services.
     
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    Stephen Colbert interviewing the cast. It's actually quite good...

     
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    Krepshus edited a better trailer then the official one

     
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    Okay, so removing the unique and interesting music to be replaced with generic epic noise and scattering the order of the scenes is an improvement?
     
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    I like that they removed the often-reused-in-trailers Ridley Scott Prometheus sound effect from when Paul puts his hand in the box.
     
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    Dune: The Original Film's Director is Unimpressed with the Remake's Trailer: 'Everything is Predictable'

    Alejandro Jodorowsky, director behind the 1970 film adaptation attempt, gave his thoughts on the recent trailer, which were rather mixed.

    "I saw the trailer. It's very well done," Jodorowsky told Le Point Pop. "We can see that it is industrial cinema, that there is a lot of money, and that it was very expensive," he stated, adding, "But if it was very expensive, it must pay in proportion. And that is the problem: There [are] no surprises. The form is identical to what is done everywhere. The lighting, the acting, everything is predictable." In the end, he did wish Villeneuve luck with his adaptation.


    But... in general all adaptations of novels are bound to be predictable.
     
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    In jodorowosky's defence he fairly explicitly is not talking about the plot of the film. He is not really wrong about the categorisation of industrial cinema either.

    That said, it's not like holy mountain or whatever auteur film he is gesturing to changed the course of human history like he seems to be implying.