What do you believe happened at the Ark in the 1986 Movie?

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  1. Primeultra

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    I get your thinking, But I don’t think it was done that way

    Just about every time we saw them having dealings with other worldS in season 2 it was always by transport Ship (Astrotrain)......not the space bridge


    It would depend on what those raids were for, You Gotta keep in mind that any satellite bases would likely have a regular crew to Man it

    and many raids would be Specialized missions needing specialized individuals who would likely not be on one of those satellite bases just on the off chance that their services would be required
     
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    And every time it goes wrong for them, I think some one could have a moment of enlightenment after 1986 to ship the fuel by spacebridge after 1985. Or there was some adjustment to make it better to allow for transport of fuel from destinations further away from Cyberton than earth.

    I am thinking of someone to man such a location, maybe Reflector or Rumble and Frenzy.

    I am thinking for most raids could be done by Combaticons or Stunticons, maybe sometimes Soundwave and the cassettes.
     
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    Learning from mistakes really wasn’t their strong suit

    Your guess is as good as mine
    Perhaps
     
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    Just thinking of the fateful voyage from Earth to Cybertron in the movie.

    I am thinking if such a location did exist then maybe the Decepticons would want to stop for repairs but may be that they just so felt so humiliated that even Megatron could have said 'just go back to Cybertron' rather then make a pit stop.
     
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    See that’s a good point, if they had any bases closer to earth I certainly would have retreated there
     
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    Megatron doesn't become Galvatron till AFTER the attack on Autobot City so technically Galvatron never attacked Autobot city since he didn't exist yet. That should say Megatron since he was still Megatron when that happened.

    Personally I don't think anything happens at or around the Ark in the 1986 movie. Autobot City seems to be acting as their new base on Earth, they have a new ship in the movie as well, so there's no reason why the Autobots would even still need the Ark. We never see the Ark during the movie, season 3 or the Rebirth/Season 4. I don't even think the Ark was ever seen in the Japanese Transformers shows though I could be wrong since I've never actually see them... but I haven't seen any screen shots of the Ark in Headmasters or beyond.

    I believe the last official appearance of the Ark was in Scramble City a Japanese exclusive episode that takes place between season 2 and the movie. It's also the first appearance of Ultra Magnus... well in canon anyway, I think Scramble City was actually produced AFTER the movie but since it's set to take place BEFORE the movie it's technically meant to be an introduction to some of the movie's characters and show off the Scramble City combiner gimmick.

    Anyway... I always assumed the Ark was destroyed off screen or the Autobots repaired it and got it flying again... cause the ship in the movie looks very similar to the Ark... but that was before I found out the Steelhaven is a completely different ship. So the destroyed off screen theory is still the more likely option.

    At any rate since the Steelhaven replaced the Ark as their ship and Autobot City replaced the Ark as their base on Earth the Ark was likely destroyed and abandoned some time in that 25 year gap they skipped over between season 2 and the movie.
     
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    The Ark is in Season 3, with the mini bots like warpath and powerglide and he means the scene when Galvatron comes to autobot city and tries to kill ultra magnus
     
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    Wrong

    we see the ark in 5 faces of darkness
     
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    Oh... you're right... it was actually in Five Faces of Darkness part 5... totally forgot about that...

    There is no scene where Galvatron comes to Autobot City and tries to kill Ultra Magnus. There's a scene where Galvatron tries to kill Ultra Magnus on the planet of Junk... and he thinks he succeeded but the Junkions put Ultra Magnus back together right after the Decepticons leave and he doesn't realize he failed till he goes to brag to Unicron.

    You seem to be mixing up completely different scenes in the movie. The attack on Autobot City is when Megatron and the other Decepticons hijack an Autobot shuttle to fly into Autobot City undetected... except that Hot Rod notices there's a giant hole in the side of the shuttle where the Decepticons blasted their way in. Optimus and Megatron have their last big epic battle there before Optimus dies and Megatron is wounded but still functional... The Decepticons escape inside of Astrotrain. The Autobots leave in the Steelhaven and eventually split up cause the ship can split apart into sections... That's also what lead me to believe it was just a repaired ark because the front half of the Steelhaven when it's separated from the back part just looks like the Ark.

    Anyway... the rest of the movie after that is in various locations in space while Autobot City remains on Earth. There is never a scene in the movie with Galvatron at Autobot City. Galvatron is AFTER Autobot City. Maybe you're thinking of something in Season 3 or beyond cause Autobot City remains their base on Earth but there's just no point during the movie when Galvatron was ever there.
     
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    .... GALVATRON ATTACKS AUTOBOT CITY AND FORCES THE AUTOBOTS TO FLEE. He's sitting inside Cyclonus and says "I, Galvatron, will crush you just as Megatron crushed Prime."

    Are you completely forgetting that this scene happened?
     
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    Maybe for some intermediate fiction after season two they could have built a small base and lost it fighting the Autobots.

    Other than that it would just have been Astrotrain or Blast Off flying in some Decepticons to Earth every now and again as the Decepticons would not have any space bridge access to Earth after they mainly reside on Cybertron.

    My current headcanon around events at the Ark is that when the Decepticons first Attack Autobot City they are about six or seven Autobots at the Ark. They get a call from Optimus Prime after Blaster's transmission and say all but two or three leave the Ark to offer help at Autobot City. At Autobot City the Rumamuck and Runaround are watching events at the Ark, but they get captured and only freed when Trypticon attacks the Ark in Five Faces of Darkness part 5.
     
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    You mean Runamuck and Runabout? I don't recall them even being around at that point... I mean I suppose they could have been around doing things off screen before we officially saw them for the first time. Not sure we ever had a proper origin for those guys.

    In fact there's a lot of G1 characters who we know nothing of their actual origins and could have been potentially around off screen before their first official appearances. G1 has far too many characters and a lot of them have so little screen I barely even remember they existed at all... Even characters with interesting concepts I'd love to see more of like Punch/Counterpunch and the clones. Conceptually I think they're great characters... in practice... Punch/Counterpunch needs a redesign so it's not so immediately obvious he's a spy when you look at his back side. How did the Decepticons ever fall for that when he looks like Punch from the back. Plus he doesn't even bother with a different vehicle mode. Animated Shockwave/Longarm did that WAY better.

    The clones are interesting... I don't know why but I really like the idea of identical robot turning into very different alternate modes... I guess that's also why I like the Prime Vehicons so much. But I don't even remember the G1 clones ever being in the cartoon... If they were I think they had more of a presence in Japan than whatever little screen time if any they had in the US. And I think the Decepticon clones are a bit better... The Autobot car just looks like a robot laying down. They don't even try to hide his legs in vehicle mode. Plus the spoiler is just hanging off the back of his head. The jet looks a bit more passable but still not great... Pounce and Wingspan however... well the originals aren't much better but the titans return molds did a better job updating those figures so the beast modes aren't quite as disproportionate anymore. Still not perfect but a huge improvement over the original molds while the Autobot clones still retain all of the same problems as their original molds. They couldn't engineer some leg panels to fold out and fill that gap in vehicle mode to give him a more solid car mode? Or moved his spoiler and the jet's tail fin to their back so the head can recess into the torso rather than having VISIBLE HEAD SYNDROME and hiding the kibble better in robot mode so it's only visible from the back instead of clearly visible from the front because they're attached to the head.
     
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    Yes, I can never remember their names.

    I wish a series 2.5 could be made to give the season 3 transformers a proper backstory.

    Me to. In my headcanon, Punch/CounterPunch helped the Autobots on Cybertron for 4M years while Optimus was in stasis. At some point, I think that Punch/CounterPunch went missing from the Decepticons, the Decepticons just assumed he got captured. In the Rebirth, episode, I find it a bit strange that Punch/Counterpunch could not give the Autobots a warning about what was going on.

    Are you referring to the Sentinels as per the Revenge of Bruticus episode?
     
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    No. Did you read the rest of my post? There was an entirely paragraph there about the Clones not just that one sentence.

    There are two different sets of clones. The Decepticon clones are Pounce and Wingspan. The Autobot clones... honestly I never seem to remember their names... I want to say either Fastlane or Fastline and Cloudraker... going to look it up really quick.

    Yup it's Fastlane and Cloudraker... though Fastlane is also called Fastclash for Trade Mark reasons not Fastline...

    Anyway "The Clones" is the official way to refer to those four characters because they're literally clones of each other. Pounce and Wingspan have identical robot modes but completely different beast modes. Fastlane and Cloudraker are similarly identical looking robots with different vehicle modes. They also could of just be called twins... I mean there's only 2 of each set.
     
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    Not as well as I should of.

    I am really bad with a lot of season 3 let alone season 4 characters.

    I am interested in creative backstories for characters that just appear in the show. Do you have sort of backstory for them?

    For the Decepticons, I would imagine that they could have had a similar backstory to the Insecticons, crash landing on a foreign planet in search of fuel, and being reborn with beast like alt-modes.

    For the two Autobots, I would just say that they never went on the Ark and spent most of their time, on foreign planets trying to provide fuel for the remaining Autobots on Cybertron.
     
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    Not to burst your bubble but I really don’t see a point, we have already seen a few small Satellite bases between the first two seasons, Doing an episode like this just seems rather superfluous
     
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    You mean officially or head canon? Cause officially I have no freaking idea what their back story is.

    If you want head cannon though... I'd call them twins... Spark brothers... There are other characters that have been called Twins but I think they're more like fraternal twins which don't have to look exactly like each other. These guys would be more like identical twins which would explain why their robot modes are exactly the same with the same coloring and everything.

    I think Rack 'n' Ruin could also be twins since they were also original two identical looking robots...

    Anyway... the different alt modes would just be due to the fact that twins often have different personalities. Fastlane and Pounce would prefer to remain on the ground so they scan ground based alt modes. Cloudraker and Wingspan actually like flying so they scan flying alt modes.

    And if we're going to add Rack 'n' Ruin in... I'd make it so originally when they're two different robots... Rack is a crane with a wrecking ball and Ruin is some sort of military helicopter with a Gatling gun. And then later when they're fused together I'd give them a fuzor style beast mode like a lion/eagle.
     
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    Yeah, out of interest when do you think the Decepticons would have left Earth pretty much for good?

    What I find interesting is what relationships the Decepticons may have had with foreign governments in the lead up to 2005.

    For example, Dirge and Ramjet take refuge in Carbombya, but why only those two?

    Maybe, Dirge and Ramjet were doing some talks with Abdul Fakadi but things never materialised before 2005, a bit like in the Gambler episode with Devcon.

    Head canon.

    Cool.

    I like to think that Rack'n'Ruin and other Wreckers who were never in the original show were some the Autobots left on Cybertron that Optimus Prime alluded to in the Ultimate Doom, when under duress he brings Cybertron into Earth's Orbit.

    Cool

    If interested this is my fan-fiction which has Rack'n'Ruin

    Transformers G1 Sunbow behind the Scenes 1985 - 2006
     
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    m certain Megatron planned on returning
    I wouldn’t expect any Official relationships

    But certainly under the table deals