Captain Picard returns to tv...

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    Man, I swear Patrick Stewart’s whole thought behind that whole scene was “French accent? I’ll give you motherfuckers Maurice Chevalier after a whole bucket of cocaine”

    Like that was so absurdly over the top it was kind of awesome. I got a good laugh out of it.
     
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    I recently was able to check this series out and I have some thoughts...

    It feels like it should of been a movie rather than a series as it follows events from the movies and has a cinematic feel to it.

    There aren't as many returning characters as I had hoped but I guess that's why it's Star Trek Picard cause it's mostly focuses on him and a new cast of characters.

    I thought it was kind of random to include 7 of 9 since they never served together but the way she was used in the series actually works.

    There's a whole thing about a former Borg cube called "The Artifact" where former Borgs are being liberated. The cube was damaged and cut off from the left of the collective but the remaining Borg were still alive. Hugh Makes a return... not sure when he was liberated. Last we saw of him his entire cube were calling themselves Hugh. 7 of 9 and Picard kind of bonded over the fact that they were both former Borgs.

    One thing about 7 of 9 in this series that does really stand out as odd is how emotional she is... On Voyager she kind of sucked at expressing any sort of emotion and wasn't much different from a Vulcan... or Data.

    Speaking of Data... that's another aspect of the series I didn't like...

    In the last movie Data blew up and it was suspected that B4 was introduced as a way of bringing Data back after his death... That never happens. B4 stays locked up in a drawer we see in the trailer and that's the last we ever see of him. Data is still "alive" however as his programming was used by Sung's son to create more androids... And his son... to the surprise of no one, is also played by Brent Spiner. So Picard figure out that this girl is Data's daughter because Data had painted a picture of her when he was still alive and titled the painting daughter... though that doesn't actually explain why the android looks like a painting that the guy who built her never actually had access to.

    We also find out that the Androids are maid in pairs, so there's another one... after the first one is killed... except then later we find out there was actually four of them and two of them were killed. But the first two have gold skin and don't actually look or act that human but the second two, are virtually indistinguishable from a real person... Unless they get near a Betazed like Diana who still can't read anything off them because they're androids...

    And then they kill Data AGAIN... we just found out part of him survive just for him to immediately die again.

    So lets talk about the new characters... There's a drunk pilot/captain with a tragic past... His ship is full of holograms who all look like him and represent different aspects of his personality and also hold fragments of his memories. There isn't just an EMH now, there's also one for engineering, an auto pilot, a hospitality hologram that mostly just greets people when they come on board or deals with replicator problems... and the other one... I'm not sure what his actual purpose is cause he doesn't even speak a language. It's just freaking nonsense...

    There's a girl who served under Picard some time after the events of the last movie, I assume she was hired to fill Data's job after his death, at least that's the vibe I got from her... oh and she's also a drunk with a tragic past...

    There's a scientist who works in the AI department at Starfleet... and due to some other plot stuff... I'm pretty sure she's the ONLY employee in that department cause they're not allowed to actually build anything. All of their work is purely theoretical which is also why B4 is stuck in a drawer...

    I like her... mostly... except for the spoiler stuff about her character which honestly just felt out of character for her every time that happened... You'll know what I'm talking about when you see it.

    And... there's a dude with a sword... He SORT OF is part of this Romulan group of warriors... I say sort of because normally they're all women but he was raised by them. They're whole thing is they fight for a worthy cause... but the qualifier for what they define as worthy is freaking hilarious. The only thing I find odd... why is his weapon just... A normal ass katana sword? I mean Klingons have that batlif thing, they're Romulans... but their swords are exactly like swords made on Earth? Who took the sci-fi out of this and gave this space alien a normal freaking katana?

    I feel like the show was also a little self aware as Picard says Star Fleet isn't Star Fleet anymore like a lot of fan have been saying Star Trek isn't Star Trek anymore.

    There was a set up for a possible second season but I don't think they need it. This was kind of a self contained story and there's not much more they could do with it.

    There's a scene of everyone morning Picard's death which is immediately undermined by them bring back Picard as an android in the very next scene... and that's the entire set up for season 2 is Picard isn't dead... Why even kill him off at all if you're just going to immediately bring him back... There was even set up that they were going to bring him back before that happened. That was really kind of pointless. Everything was fine up to the point where Picard is brought back to life immediately after dying and then Data is killed AGAIN even though they never even really brought him back in the first place. I would of preferred it just ended there with the scene of everyone morning Picard's death. That is the end of the story to me, everything after that was pointless set up for another season that doesn't need to exist.

    That said I might still check out more of the series if they make any, I hope they bring back more of the original cast as the new characters are OK but was really hoping for more of a reunion than a whole new cast of characters.
     
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    He had access to the memory files ..... and communicating with Data himself.....as Data considered him a brother

    And that didn’t really make sense to me since Diana was able to read Data at times that he had real Emotions/feelings

    also Riker was able to figure it out
    They never mentioned that she served with him on the enterprise, my guess she was working at Starfleet command after he left the enterprise and work for him then
    I’m not sure of the Daystrome institute Is officially part of Starfleet but it is part of the Federation
     
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    Seven makes sense being more emotional. By the end of Voyager, she was showing more emotions in general, though still a bit vulcan-esque, but not quite as bad. In the last episode of Voy, she had surgery to remove that emotion supressor cortex doohicky. I forget the name, but that thing that tried to kill her when her emotions got too strong. So thirty years after all of that, it makes sense her humanity would have come full out and she would be full normal human again in terms of emotions. That was one part of the show I really liked. They didn't just make her be Voyager Seven again, they allowed the character to have grown in the intervening years.
     
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    I believe you’re talking about her cortical node, her node malfunctioned and was replayed by useing Echebs cortical node

    that was in the 2nd episode of season 7, In the final episode the doctor discussed with her removing it permanently but they never actually did the surgery due to the events of the story, And seven was having doubts after hearing the story told by future Janeway

    So I don’t think they really confirmed that they ever removed it
     
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    The episode seven was dating holographic chakotay was episode 2? I thought that was something like 3 from the end. I remember the discussion about the surgery and the doubts, but i thought the doubt was more about not wanting to have a relationship that would cause pain to chakotay. Although i guess its all related. I thought the cortex was a different problem but i don't exactly have a good memory these days.
     
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    No, you're on the right track.

    Primeultra is talking about an episode where Seven's cortical node malfunctioned and she needed a replacement ("Imperfection"), but that was a separate issue.

    The episode you're talking about, where she dates the holographic Chakotay, is episode 18 of season 7 ("Human Error"). In this episode, after Seven passed out on the holodeck, the Doctor finds the cortical node has a fail-safe, designed to shut it down if an ex-drone begins to feel a certain level of emotion. Although, he also mentions that he believes with several surgeries, he could reconfigure the micro-circuitry to remove the fail-safe from the node. She refuses at the time, claiming it would help keep her from being distracted.

    In the final episode, they discuss it again. Having anticipated her change of heart, the Doctor tells her that he's refined it so he could remove the fail-safe with just one surgery, which they schedule for later that day. And I'd say it is at least implied the surgery was successfully carried out, shortly before Admiral Janeway's arrival.
     
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    I would think the opposite was implied, That the arrival of admiral Janeway and the impending birth of the “Klingon Messiah” put a hold on the surgery Schedule

    That could just be my opinion
     
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    After Seven and the Doctor have the discussion about the surgery, there's a scene where she beams into Chakotay's quarters with flowers for a date. That date gets interrupted when they're called to the bridge for the arrival of Admiral Janeway. I get the impression the surgery is implied to have taken place just before their date.
     
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    I can see why you would think that, And you’re probably right but I always got the impression that they just didn’t get to it by that point
     
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    There’s an art to writing serialised television. With Netflix being the main model which is dumping the whole season down in one go the pacing is only limited by your capacity to watch it. Picard - and I assume other AmazonPrime shows - we’re doing the one a week model, making it more like traditional television but the show was still written and edited like it was meant to be watched in one or two sittings.
     
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    You assume incorrectly.
     
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    Which part?
     
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    Amazon originals drop whole seasons.
     
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    Huh, fair enough. In that case the weekly distribution would have been because that’s how CBS All Access was doing it?
     
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    Correct
     
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    DID drop whole seasons. That's now also changed dependent on the series.