Save some popcorn for me, @Sam!

                           


@Liampope you're absolutely knocking it out of the park!! I’m loving seeing this take form, thanks for giving us something great to pass the time until more official info lands.

 

Kind of hope they took design considerations for the coneheads when working on Starscream. If they were willing to go to lengths they did for Inferno and Grapple to be different, I don't see why they wouldn't plan ahead for the Coneheads.

 

I’m wondering if they’ll leave out Acid Storm and Sun Storm this time.I know the MP-11 versions were Hasbro’s deal, so how much pull willthey have with this release? Also, will the new Coneheads be TTMall exclusives?

 

MP-11 is considered "V1.5" since it still reused a bunch of the tooling from MP-03, and the same basic engineering.

Software development popularized that numerical structure. Decimal increases represent incremental changes to the current base, while whole number increases tend to represent a purposeful overhaul with major functionality changes.

 

MP-11 actually uses many slightly altered molds from the very first prototype of MP-3 so in a way the second version is more like 0.75, he's even got the null rays connected by the ball jointed panel but they seem to have clipped on slightly differently to the wings.

I'm somewhat glad we didn't get this version as the final MP-3 led to a better version of this one with MP-11.

 

Isn't this version 3? I thought version 2 was, where the back of the jet does not end up as skirt armor but on the legs.

 

It's version 3 but it's a 2.0 of the figure as it's a total retool rather than what MP-11 did which was to use a lot of parts from MP-3 but have the tailfins stay on the legs rather than end up hanging off the hips.

 

Or something crazy I've been kicking around in my head MP-11 is actually version1, with the original 9 MPs sitting in their own little pocket and the line in essence kicks off with mp-10. Every MP redid after MP-10 is credited as a 2.0(Bumblebee and Starscream) while others that we're redid that existed before MP-10 basically were v1( MP-11,MP-36,MP-22 who isn't credited as a 2.0 but as a "Perfect Edition".) By rights a new Grimlock wouldn't be a 2.0 he would merely be Grimlock, Rodimus Convoy is a bit more tricky as he occurred before the "reboot", but the new scale and changes with MP-10 were based off him. Conversely MP-44 is version 3 and not version 2, because Optimus is the flagship character for the line,each iteration of Optimus signals a shift or evolution of the line. We've now went through 3 revisions of the line from MP-1 to MP-10 to MP-44.

 

I think that original prototype looks much better than MP-11. Proper ankle tilt, and as @Dean ML pointed out many times the wings are angled far back enough to allow more range of motion for the arms without needing to angle the wings 'up' and away from the body.
Face looks more cartoon accurate than what we got with MP-11, too (and seems to have the correction proportions for the top of the helmet as you have previously ranted about  )

 

Thank you for actually adding the leg, cockpit, and arm differences too
Finally someone notices haha

 

It's the other way around for the top of the head, middle scoop is supposed to be wider than the sides so it was still wrong here.

I agree there are a few aspects of the prototype I like more but I prefer how MP-11 ended up overall.

 

Ahh shows how little I've paid attention to that detail I guess ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


I guess with cartoon accuracy I'm good where it's about 90% of the way there. I can live with Ironhide's hip flaps, for example (though not with his lack of articulation!). And I'm totally fine that MP-44's grill isn't recessed as it should be (like it was on MP-1).

Minor details aside these latest MPs are still bringing the cartoon to life like no other!

 

Effin sweet! And now I have an idea as how the wings work. Hate on them or not when I see engineering like this Iim really floored at how TT think outside the box.

 

Lol I've been studying hard!

Agree and yet, your screenshots showed that the middle section of his head was drawn narrower like the MP sculpt in many cases as well.

 

I still can’t get over the hands, man! The fingers are so articulated, far more than anything we’ve gotten before. And who better to have the most expressive hands than the most expressive transformer? Even better that he can take full advantage of this with his null rays being arm-mounted.

 

Not so much angled back, but they had a double joint so they could go back a little then out, so they were further back away from the arms like V3's are. The splay outward feature removed the extra joint. Maybe that's what you meant?  

Not only all that, but the forearms are also clean on all four sides - dont have that messy cutout for the hand transformation like MP-3/11. Fists must have transformed differently.

Also the sculpt looks softer in places - a bit more roundness and chattering, like the corners of the forearms seem more chambered much like V3 whereas MP-11 has quite sharp square edges.

The only thing I think MP-11 improved was the extending head and the heel spurs. The rest didnt even live up to the original prototype imho.

 

Yeah we can always find a screenshot to prove something. Would have to start a brand new rewatch to actually figure out how many minutes of screentime he was drawn with them that way though!

They're amazing! Sometimes I think about cancelling my Arcee pre-order, and I think "no man think of the hand articulation!"  

I just hope the number of face plates he comes with matches that expressiveness!

also re. his hands, I don't know if it's been mentioned but his palms have the slot for holding a gun.



Pretty much confirms he'll include a gun-mode Megatron to wield!

Yeah exactly I meant set back rather than angled back.

I didn't even notice that about the hands not folding away the same way! Interesting. Definitely notice the roundness, which is neither good nor bad since ultimately the overall design just isn't toon accurate enough for my tastes.

Ah yes MP-11's extending 'ears' I forgot about them, I suppose that did allow a bigger head overall - good point.

Anyway what are you doing posting here don't you have a character model to finish     

 

Yep sorry I'll get on it! Gotta love chattering and chambered autocorrections when I'm trying to talk about chamfering.  

 

I'm seconding every single thing you guys have said, here. I'm loving everything we're getting from the talented folk we have in our community. Keep it up all of you who've done wonders and see what i'm saying, you guys fucking ROCK!

You guys don't mind if I squeeze into the popcorn party you have going on here?

     

God dammit now i'm actually craving popcorn.

11 is considered a V1.5 since it was a retool of V1.

 

Plus, if you've ever disassembled MP-03, you can see a lot of "remnants" from the prototype that were covered over/removed, that were "re-implemented" in MP-11. (most notably the tailboom slide, which many people hacked themselves into their MP-3-----it's ALMOST there in MP-3, and that section wouldn't be molded like that at all, if it'd been designed to be hip-kibble from the beginning).