Netflix WfC Trilogy discussion thread

Discussion in 'Transformers Earthspark and Cartoon Discussion' started by Shackstoys, Feb 15, 2019.

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Will it be good?

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  2. No!

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  3. I'm from the future and all who said yes were right!

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  4. I'm from the future and all who said no were right!

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  5. I'm from the future and there was never a Titan class Skorponok figure!! Please hastak!!!

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  1. Lovecraft

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    Huh, then I'm gonna go ahead and call it now, it IS Quints, two 'product lines' nd perhaps a surrogate Senate. They're going by the toys and 12 eps doesn't much have the time to introduce anything else.

    The 'unidentified craft' has GOTTA be Quints.
     
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    They finally added new wfc Netflix icons
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    Im personally using ultra magnus
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    I would think it's 'Cons, having left the planet much later, but caught up to the broken down/non-functional Autobot Ark.

    Be extra funny if it's the Axalon pre-crash.
     
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    Just learned that Banjo Ginga (Headmasters: Megazarak) voiced Alpha Trion. I'm predicting that he'll "reprise" his role as Megazarak in Earthrise next year.
     
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    Thew did a really good run down of the pros and cons of the show which I think was on point.
     
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    I really liked it. I liked that there were a lot of characters that were shades of grey and when a character changed sides it made sense. It showed both sides of the conflict very well and how the Autobots were just bearly hanging on. Could the voice acting have been a little better or could they have transformed more sure but those are minor things that can be improved on. I thought it was a good start for this series and has a good set up for the next two. I just can't find anything to really get mad about and I think we are in good hands for the next two and I think that people are being to hard on this series and are being overly hyperbolic like the internet tends to be (more on twitter).

    Listen it has been a crappy year and the fact that both this Siege and Cyberverse have both been really strong shows this year as far as Transformers media goes I am hopeful for the future. I mean either way this is a huge upgrade from the Prime Wars web series.

    I just feel like everyone is really dumping on this show and I really can't find anything to get all that upset about, and I think I just needed to get this out my system.
     
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    Why would the animation be made for japanese audio, when this was made by Rooster Teeth, an US studio, primarily for english Netflix???

    LOL this is a very apt comparison.

    It felt soooo 180 degrees opposite to Prime's personality. I can see Prowl advocating for it, him being pragmatic and logical. But when even Prowl starts to trust Jetfire, after he got his life saved by him... and then recommends removing the detonator... but Prime just shrugs and leaves it in??? That was like a slap in the face to classic Optimus who has mercy towards his enemies and is willing to forgive.

    Another issue was Impactor's communication device/tracker... why did that alert every Con to where the base is when removed? Did he know it would do that? And as it was thrown away outside the holographically disguised base, how did Sykwarp know right away the base was there and it wasn't just left there by accident?

    Never, EVER believe Rottentomatoes. Their system is terribly skewed and useless.
    Transformers: War for Cybertron Trilogy (TV Series 2020– ) - IMDb
    The 7.6 given here is more believable. And I think it will go further down as the new episodes are released.

    They did not need to add shoulder cannons. Same way they did not give Red Alert his different gun, either. They could have easily recolored Prowl. The siren is a modular piece - I don't think you understand how CAD files work. Hasbro gave those to Rooster Teeth, all they needed to do was use Prowl's CAD file and repaint the texture to Blue Streak, which can literally be done in like half an hour if I wanna be generous, probably faster by an expert animator... I am saying this because I have done skin mods for video games myself, and I know how that works.
    Same goes for the smaller changes, but they clearly tried to be as cheap as possible, including barely using alt modes in the show, despite how they HAD the models for free from Hasbro, would not have cost them anything to show them and have Reflectors also fly in their spaceship alt mode, for example.
     
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    The Jetfire bomb is so ridiculous that it alone would compromise the whole show for me. It's unbelievable that everyone involved had no issues with it and pushed it through to the final product.
     
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    So here is my take (again :) ) I enjoyed the show, but their were GLARING PROBLEMS that just can’t be ignored.

    -The odd speech patterns that were prevalent in everyone except maybe Megatron (Great job) , Elita-1 (outstanding) and Starscream (good impression). This was likely due to not hiring professional voice actors.

    -The voices not being distinct enough from one another. I mean as Thew said in his run down Impactor sounds way off for a blue collar character.

    - inability of Prime’s VA to maintain the Prime voice upon screaming. If you can’t hold the screaming voice than just don’t scream.

    -And of course the single most important for me :) )) out of all the tough sounding non-distinct voice they mess up Ironhide. IRONHIDE SOUNDS LIKE A CHILD, and is LITERALLY and FIGURATIVELY the TOUGHEST GUY in the Autobots. He should sound the way Hound sounded.

    These are all fixable come Earthrise. Which is why I bring them up, not to complain but in hopes the powers that be by some luck see them and course correct. After all I want WFC to be the best it can be and be successful.


    why not? Rottentomatos binary sentiment analysis (good/bad) And aggregates into a score. That is a pretty acceptable method.

    I will say the number of reviews for WFC is not sufficient enough to get a consensus.
     
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    From an IMDB review, thought it was funny. :) 

    the Animation: the visual style is fine (some wide shots are quite beautiful), but the movements are jerky and the characters are already in their earth modes for some reason. Aren't they still on cybertron? You'll see a lot of reused animation models to fill out the sparse cast. This makes it hilarious when Bumblebee and Arcee talk about Soundblaster as if he's the ONLY transformer here who looks like someone else:

    Arcee: "wow, he really does look like Soundwave" Bumblebee: "yeah, I wouldn't bring that up. He's a little sensitive about being a clone..."

    Forgetting about Cliffjumper, Bee? Or all the seeker, Reflector, Cog, chromia, Ironhide, Hound, Impactor, Sideswipe, Barricade repaints there are?

    Also, this, so much... Prime and Elita's relationship was like a nagging wife and a stubborn husband who goes through with all his ideas, no matter how dumb.

    the story: Honestly, sometimes the show reads like fanfiction.Some people say megatron is complex, sorry he's not. Optimus is whatever. His relationship with Elita One is excruciating and repetitive. Optimus will have a bad idea, Elita one will tell him it's bad and lose her faith in life, Optimus will reassure her, Elita rolls her eyes. Jetfire is always talking about honor, and while he's probably the best character here, his lack of backstory makes it hard to relate to him- in fact, more backstory for everything would be nice. characters tend to resort to long backstories and melodramatic ideological rants. Not to mention: most of these characters are stupid. They run everywhere (transform, you're a transformer!), are painfully gullible, can't shoot straight, put their prison cells in hearing range of their meeting rooms, can't control their tempers, and have the dumbest plans ever. The Decepticons scream wildly when they ambush people, and Mirage try to disguise himself and talk to some cons... for what? A few seconds later, Chromia shoots them anyway, what did they need Mirage for?

    And soooo much of THIS:

    Characters don't use their vehicle forms. This is most egregious in Skytread, who's toy can split into two vehicles: his torso turns into a plane, and his legs turn into a tank. Wouldn't that be interesting to watch? But no, he just uses a pistol, the same as everyone else!

    Imagine what cool action scenes could they have done (like in the WFC games) with him splitting in two and attacking from ground and air...
    Thing is, after skimming Rooster Teeth's other shows like RWBY and that Gundam knockoff whose name I forget, I am not at all surprised at how clunky the fight scenes were.


    Sadly, does not get any better.
    At the end, Optimus actually basically commits an ecological terror attacks by launching the Allspark into space, despite Elita, Ratchet, even Megatron telling him that it will KILL THE PLANET. He just does it because "Megatron can't have it", disregarding how he could just take it and hide it maybe? Also the Decepticons did not know where the Allspark was, or if it was even real. It was just a theory by Shockwave based on legends, and something Megatron waved off as a plan. The Cons spend most of the series looking for Autobot HQ, they don't even once look for the Allspark.
    As Galvatron said, "This is bad comedy writing"
     
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    Except for Jetfire... He had no problems with executing Autobots in the first episode but the reason he changed sides is because Megatron executed an Autobot... How does that make any sense? It could of worked if they always showed Jetfire as someone who isn't willing to execute someone just because he can... but Jetfire was such an evil prick that when he changes sides it felt like it came out of no where.

    Impactor made sense because an Autobot found him and patched him up after the Decepticons left him for dead. That made sense. Jetfire switching sides because Megatron killed Ultra Magnus when he nearly killed Wheeljack and Bumblebee in the first episode... why is executing a prisoner of war suddenly so wrong to him when had no issues doing exactly the same thing before?

    That I agree with. I have some minor nit picks with the show but over all I think most of it was done really well.

    Oh yes. Gawd Prime Wars was bad. The first season was impossible to follow as it felt like a continuation of a previous story line and they never referenced what that was so I had no context for anything that was going on. The second season was just one long fight scene where NOTHING happens like a really bad Anime. The third season is the only one that's actually worth watching.

    Personally... I think everyone is still thinking about how bad Prime Wars was and is prejudging this without actually giving it a chance.
     
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    I agree with you about Jetfire. He seemed completely different in the first episode than he did in the rest of the show, and that made his arc a bit confusing. I remember thinking that his heel-face turn didn't have enough build-up, even though I enjoyed his character on the whole.

    Impactor was great; definitely one of the highlights of the series.
     
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    Just finished watching the new Netflix Siege.... thing. It's not the worst TF show I've ever see, but I still won't call this a good show at all. Others in this thread have summed up the problems with this show better than I could so I won't elaborate more on those aspects; I'll just briefly talk about a few aspects of this show.

    I find the pacing of this show to be incredibly bizarre in a way that makes this entire show feels both rushed and padded out. I get that the showrunners have a limited budget to work with and anything like an epic 20+ episodes series isn't viable with these limitations, I still think that having only 6 22-minutes episodes is a bit of a mistake as there's barely any time to get invested into the plot, the settings, or any of the characters. At the same time, the show also feels incredibly padded out with characters does nothing but talking and talking about the same thing again and again. The exposition was long, tiresome with too many concepts were introduced for a show with such a limited run time; In a similar way like the prequel Star Wars movies.

    For some reason, EVERYONE. IN. THE. SHOW. SPEAKS. LIKE. THIS. ; I'm not sure why something like this is done, it doesn't add anything to the show presentation-wise in a good way. and feels more like every single dialogue are stretched out as much as possible to pad the run time.

    EDIT: Some more thoughts.

    Visual-wise, it's serviceable. I still don't think that follows closely to the CAD models for the toys for the character design is that great of an idea, but I'll say that the show still looks perfectly fine and serviceable.

    There are a few serviceable performances, but for the most part the voice acting isn't that great. Optimus sounds incredibly off all the time (Especially with the infamous "WE ARE NOT THE DECEPTICONS" scene), and everyone else is either sounds exactly the same or under-acting, like the VAs themselves doesn't want to be there. I'll say that considering that none of the VAs is that great in their roles, maybe the direction they got to perform their roles are also to blame for their average performances.

    Despite everything else, the biggest issue I have with this show is that the show as a whole is just "average", not horrible but not super amazing in anything at all; Like this show in its entirety is just one "flat wide field" that has nothing slightly interesting to look at. Even with shows such as NuRID or Rescue Bots (Which I aware isn't popular with older fans) does at least tries to do something on its own, this show just felt like the most basic, dull, lifeless "dark edgy morally grey serious" Transformers show that they could've possibly ever made.
     
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    I was rewatching the first three eps of G1 and yeah if people are as critical of G1 as they are with the netflix series it would be nonstop bashed for awkward dialogue and errors, Optimus getting beaten by Megatron in all the fights etc...
     
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    What I found amusing is that nobody knew that the allspark really existed, they thought it was myth. But everyone knew it would kill the planet
     
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    Watched the final episode yesteday -- spread watching the series out over a couple of days to better enjoy it.

    Did I enjoy it? Sure, but I do have several issues.

    My biggest complaint is that storywise this brought nothing new to the table. The Allspark being removed from Cybertron to keep it out of the hands of the Decepticons (but it will doom the planet) is something we've seen several times now. The only notable difference is that this time it's actually thje story being told, instead of a flashback or the background story. That means you a) have an unoriginal story, and b) this story is usually considered mere background to a better story. Now the background is the story and it's a bit thin.

    On the positive side, because the story really wasn't much they had to focus more on world building and characters. Well, world building mostly but with characters in it. And that I liked. The Decepticons are (again, or is it again-again-again?) a movement that was initially a protest movement to give more rights to the downtrodden, but the noble intent was warped by war mongering. And thus there are characters on the side of the Bad Guys who actually are there for noble reasons. Of course, their toys and names normally associated with the good guys already hinted at them switching sides, but I felt this was done nicely. I also really loved the dissent with the rest. Ratchet was very good as a medical doctor who just wanted to help everybody and thus distanced himself from Optimus because he felt the Autobots played too big a part in causing this war, but this was undermined a bit because he did realise that a victory by Megatron would be bad. Bumblebee in this different role was interesting and in a way I hope the next series has him again as opposing Optimus ad striking out on his own, instead of being a loyal soldier. And the dissent within the Autobots was also very good, although why Magnus with access to the Alpha Trion protocols thought surrendering to Megatron was a good idea, eludes me. Thus many good things.

    A bit that annoyed me was the pacing. With the first episode I was actually surprised it was over, because so little happened. I was also annoyed by the leasurly pace everybody walked in. Especially Optimus and Megatron walked as if they had all the time in the world, even when things were desperate. (This improved a bit later in the series). Likewise, I had to laugh sometimes at them going from A to B (like after the first fight between OP and Megs) and them just walking. Robots who can transform into cars cross quite a distance by walking...slowly. A lot of it was slow. Not that I want flash and action, but at least walk in a normal pace.
     
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    I went thru all 6 episodes, and I found it to be just okay. It was kinda boring, and most of the voices are pretty terrible. I thought I hated Prime's voice in the Combiner Wars series, but this one is definitely one of the worst Prime impressions I've ever heard. The only voices that I thought were really good was Megatron, Starscream, and Wheeljack. Everyone else is just meh, and like Gary Chalk said "very low energy".

    Hopefully things improve with Earth Rise and Kingdom. Though I dread what bootleg voices they'll give to the very much anticipated Beast Wars characters.
     
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    Outstanding interview . I thought the second half of the show was better then the first.

    I understand Mr. Easton’s point about Cullen and Welker, but they could have gotten professional voice actors that are NOT those big ticket guys, John Bailey and Steve Blum come to mind. Obviously I would prefer Cullen and Welker though.

    For me some of the voice work is the only real serious dig I have about the show. The problem is, that is a REALLY BIG part of the product.
     
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