seekers 2 pack along with the pack of the exclusive clones of the target (apart from the coneheads who were recently confirmed to have a piece of the map) are included with fragments of the map despite being exclusive, I do not see why the rest should not have

 

Good point! But is the Clone 2 pack and the seekers a part of a wave?

 

Not everything leaks though. The Netflix wave 2 voyagers and spoiler pack were never leaked. Just because they haven’t leaked doesn’t mean that wave 4 isn’t happening. It’s still an unfounded rumor that people are presenting as a foregone conclusion

 

Well... Soundwave did leak, but not the updated Laserbeak or Ravage.

 

I mean as far as computer listings go, Netflix wave 2 and 3 leaked in May, less than a month after the map confirming 4 waves, but no sign of voyagers or leaders in those product listings.

 

soundwave was leaked a few months before giving an indication, there were clues of a possible change of face (silver face) for optimus ER shortly before, the spoiler pack wave 2, well, it is a possible spoiler of ER, they were not going to show spoilers of the season 2 shortly before the first one came out, that's why, outside of rumors, we don't know who he is with complete accuracy, the point is, if they wanted to save the surprise for wave 4 ER, they would have already shown it in one of the 2 big events that They had programmed, to extend the line to 2021 with kingdom and SS 86 just around the corner?

 

Doesn't even make sense to cancel it. The whole line was planned, one year to lead to the next, the figures in Seige influencing what was getting released in Earthrise, and no doubt Earthrise influencing decisions in Kingdom. They've done most of the work needed for wave 4, and the line is selling well. They don't have a movie release date to hit with the next wave, so there really is no reason it can't be delayed.

 

The map clearly says 4 waves

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I put it like this, until Hasbro officially start revealing their TF lines for 2021. The focus for them is still showing us product for 2020, so wave 4 is still on the table.

 

I’m talking about computer listings, not everything leaks

Exactly and in addition to that they delays were planned prior to confirming the 4th wave. Until hasbro actually says it’s cancelled OR they move onto kingdom without a wave 4 of earthrise, there is no reason to think wave 4 won’t happen

 

If wave 4 does happen I'm sure you're all aware that it's going to be a unicorn wave as retailers will be more concerned with stocking Kingdom wave 1 than ER wave 4.

Except for all the other reasons I and other posters have mentioned, but they don't count since you don't agree with them I guess

 

the Kingdom rumors prior to the official revelation that confirmed these rumors mention an Inferno g1 voyager class for the toyline, if they plan to continue with ER, why postpone it to a whole line later ?, why start work on the next toylines ?, I am not deceiving you, possibly you are the one who wants a wave 4 ER especially a Deluxe Nightbeat Accurate as seen in marvel, but, why not mention anything so far ?, we are in the middle of August and so far Hasbro seems fill the main line with remolds and repacks from Siege, I just preferred to be realistic and not get my hopes up if there is no wave 4 ER, if it turns out I will be happy, in any case I can't, I can go on with my life without disappointment looking forward to Kingdom with characters like BW megatron and have you remember that characters like Nightbeat exist and also deserve a new chance

 

No, they don’t count because there’s no actual evidence to back up the baseless speculation whereas there is evidence to back up that wave 4 is still happening, but you’re ignoring that because you don’t agree with it

 

Hey everyone, I'm glad to confirm that Windblade will be part of the Wave 4 assortment of EARTHRISE Deluxe figures! My source is me just now buying a Thrilling 30 Windblade so it's a pretty sure thing.

 

Your kidding right

The reason others and you have stated when not one of those is backed by fact.

Untill you can prove that wave 4 is cancelled or split up or whatever else you think I say your wrong and you have no idea what's happening with Earthrise.

 

Just addressing the bolded point: you know these toys are designed way in advance, right? There are tons of stages of revision, retailer solicitation, approvals, etc that happen between when a toy is designed and when it's revealed. The fact that Hasbro is already hard at work on Kingdom does in no way indicate what's happening with the rest of ER.

 

Not that someone is really right, we are discussing the issue according to our perception of the situation, something that somehow brings back certain memories of the Thorndike, ER cat to the retail market while he is "in the box". alive and dead simultaneously, as long as it is mere speculation that we are fine and, in turn, no, the closest thing to an answer we would have at the moment would be to ask a reliable source, possibly the answers we have are not very clear Right for the moment, it could all end in us all being right, and in turn, no, but I don't think that's a sufficient answer for several of us.

 

We got the first rumors for Earthrise a week or two before Siege Wave 5 was revealed, so having rumors for Kingdom doesn't prove that ER Wave 4 has been cancelled. All the facts we have indicate that it exists but simply hasn't been revealed.

 

I’m liking that massive gun upgrade for Optimus, but pissed some numbskull molded a trigger when he doesn’t have a trigger finger   IMHO, I think we’re beginning to see “post-Warden” toys coming out, I doubt John would’ve let such a glaring error get by. Same with the Reflector, I get the idea, it’s ok, but every figure will look downright stupid with a camera perched on top of their fist   

 

but it indicates that at least a good part of the designers are free to devise the next line, time passes and at least we already have an apparently quasi-complete poster, which indicates a somewhat advanced development of what we could see, such as I said earlier, everything is mere speculation, nothing true or false until it is confirmed or denied

 

“Post warden” won’t be till after kingdom, he was still senior design manager when the bulk of kingdom would have been in the design phase