The Stargirl Show

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    For those of you wondering why this show has been better than most CW shows. Well it was originally done for DC streaming. Geoff Johns is writing most of the episodes. He was the plotter of the season 1 story arc and writer of many of the best episodes of the Flash season 1 and the first part of season 2. He was also the producer behind Aquaman and Shazam. Not to mention great comic book writer. He was also the creator of Star Girl and based the character on his diseased sister. If he keeps writing the episodes and doesn't leave like he did with flash, it might still be worth watching in season 2.
     
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    He's also the reason Justice League was a mess. And Wonder Woman's third act was his idea. He also got fired and demoted right after green lighting Aquaman and Shazam.

    And his comic writing is middling at best.
     
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    Actually I quite like his comic writing, and Justice League was rushed to finish so people above Johns could get their yearly bonus. So both he and Weadon were under heavy pressure to get it done on time no matter what. They both wanted to push it back a few months so they had more time to film and do special effects. Not to mention everyone at the WB panicked after Batman v Superman bombed. They were forcing changes on all their movies and Justice League was set to film a week after Batman v Superman came out. So there wasn’t much they could do. That movie was in trouble from the start. Not sure about Wonder Woman the third act story wise makes sense, though it could have been pulled off better.
     
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    I can't vouch for Johns after Sinestro Corps Wars since I found Blackest Night mediocre, but up till SCW, he was AMAZING. GL: Rebirth, Flash, JSA, all top notch. Fantastic writer.

    I can deal with a crappy JL movie or some section of WW. His early writing was fantastic.

    I'm glad there some emotional attachment to him writing Stargirl. This show is great so far.
     
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    BvS didn't bomb. It made money, just not Aquaman level money like everyone was thinking it would. The definition of under-performed. As for Justice League, Johns forced Zack Snyder out and replaced him with Joss Wheadon to nearly remake the whole movie. Which did bomb, and it was his fault. And he suffered the consequences for it.
     
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    For them it bombed it was expected to be a billion Dollar or higher movie by executives. They wanted Avengers level money.

    DC Entertainment Diane Nelson and Warner Bros. President of Creative Development Greg Silverman decided the justice league needed to be fixed before it was even filmed. Geoff Johns and Jon Berg were initially tasked with spearheading and fixing the entire DCEU. And the movies that came out after were received better by audiences,though by that time they had already been fired. I'm not sure if Johns wanted Snyder off or if people above him told him to get rid of him. Also while more watchable we don't know yet if it would be any good. There were a lot of mandates from the top. One was Weadon was said to have been instructed to keep the running time of Justice League below two hours after he boarded the project. There were a lot of add this, do this, fix that and make the movies by this due date so I can get my bonus going on. They were merging with AT&T at the time and everybody was trying to stay on top and not be let go when the new bosses came. Plus as I said they wanted their bonuses before the end of the year in case they were let go. So how much was Johns decision and how much was from those above him trying to get more money remains to be seen. He had the job for like 18 months. Everybody thinks the Snyder cut is gonna be great, but several reports at the time suggested that Warner Bros wasn’t happy with the cut Snyder turned in, and was growing increasingly wary of his overly dark take on the characters. “I also heard that Snyder’s rough-cut of the movie was ‘unwatchable’ Of course, even if that’s true, there’s obviously more to the story since rough cuts can be fixed up with reshoots, rewrites, etc,” Collider’s Matt Goldberg wrote at the time.

    How much about Johns is true or not is up in the air. For one thing he wouldn't have had the prestige to replace Snyder and hire Weadon on his own. That goes into contracts and big money. So people above him probably decided it and he was forced to carry it out. Right now people are still pointing fingers at who is at fault. Johns was basically hired after Batman V Superman under performed because he'd done some good TV for them and He was a big story guy at DC. I think he was chief creative officer at the time. They basically said we lost money, fix Snyder's mess. So the people at the top were against Snyder whens Johns was hired. How much was him, how much was above and who really made all the decisions will eventually be fully revealed in a tell all book. I think the current narrative it was all Johns fault came from a few Youtube videos from people like Grace Randolf. And most of it during the last two years of cancel culture. But I'll wait for the book, where they will have evidence, and quotes from studio heads.

    You could be right, but the way things have been the last few years, I look at his track record before and he doesn't seem to be the same person they are portraying in recent articles. And right now there seem to be groups on twitter out to find people to cancel and defame. I was reading a bunch of posts recently where they wanted Sebastian Stan canceled because his girlfriend wore a Asian style dress. So some of this stuff is getting way out of hand. Lets wait for evidence and proof. I still believe in innocent until proven guilty. Not just some guy on the internet said this we must take the person down. Most of the sources I read were famous for click bait articles and other sites just repeated them. As I said you may be right, but I'll wait for more proof.
     
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    Much of that was Dan Didio meddling and extending stories that were originally planned for a few issues into mega events. Blackest Night was his first try at that and did well. He kept trying events and killing off characters as his way to raise sales. Those and reboots were his way of getting sales. It's all he ever did. But he stank at coming up with stories for them, and his 52 stuff had been bombing. So around that time he started taking anything Johns wrote and trying to turn it into events when he needed to show people DC could do more sales numbers. FlashPoint for instance was originally just a 6 issue story in the flash comic that didn't affect anything but the flash comic. Johns wrote it that way. Didio loved it, decided to use it as an excuse to rewrite the entire DCU and added a bunch of side stories by other writers to pad out the story. I think Johns was working on the movies at the time and too busy to do more than his 6 issue story. So While Didio got his sales Johns own work got so padded it watered down his stories.
     
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    They took “DC’s” off the show title and my DVR missed the last episode because of it. Luckily I noticed it only after missing a few minutes.
     
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    JL was always going to be a lose-lose proposition...

    they wanted Avengers but didn't want to spend the time building it up logically, like Marvel did...they wanted instant successful franchise without the investment...

    you lay the foundation first and then build up...you don't build the roof first and then try and figure out how to support it...

    the fact that JL had to introduce three main characters, resurrect a fourth, introduce the villain(s) and create the team...a lot of heavy-lifting for a pretty short run time...

    that its watchable is something of a miracle...

    now Stargirl is doing all the right things...amazingly accurate to the comics in terms of costuming and framework...not sure how much of a budget cut it'll have when it moves to CW...even on DC they have had some very effects-light episodes and STRIPE in action sort of disappeared after a few appearances...

    I just don't want to see Arrow-style fight choreography with the moving, fast-cutting camerawork in Stargirl...the way it is now is followable, maybe a little clunky with the obvious wire-work sometimes, but at least I can understand what's going on...

    hopefully they won't be forced to move to Vancouver to shoot too...I don't think they can duplicate the setting (they film in Georgia, right? like Black Lightning?) as well up there...
     
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    Yeah they film in Georgia. Local towns right outside of Atlanta. Sometimes I can spot areas I know when I watch this and Doom Patrol. Black lightnig is mostly city areas I don't frequent. I was taken out of the flow when watching Spider-man Homecoming in one scene because it was clearly the Alanta marriot, or maybe the Hyatt i(I sometimes get them confused you can walk between them on a sky bridge) in one shot. I go there every year for Dragon con and know that sealing very well. So watching recent shows and films have been interesting. Stranger things season 3 was filmed in an old mall 10 minutes from my house I spent most of the 90's and early 2000's shopping at. (no wonder I got big nostalgia vibes watching that season)

    Edit yeah it was the marriot
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    They dropped parachuting joe figures off those balconies at one joe con here back in the day.
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    Same year Roddy Roddy Piper got his joe figure remember seeing him there.
     
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    I remember reading and watching a video of that Joe Con. That was so cool
     
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    Well things are now pretty serious.

    Shining Knight is getting his memories back, but he is an example of what the ISA's brainwashing plan is.
    Brainwave remembers everything and may have his son's powers on top of his own, Courtney's Dad is a jerk, and Courtney now realizes she's been an out of control brat, and Icicle knows all and has decided to wipe out all of Courtney's family including her brother. Hopefully finale will live up to the hype they are building
     
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    Well it appears it's not a good idea to call Tigress an unfit parent.......

    And that was a pretty good cliffhanger.
     
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    funny how easy-going Pat has really lost his temper only twice and both times its yelling at his own kid

    glad Mike
    found out the truth, otherwise if he was still kept in the dark much longer the odds were he would end up a)dead b) sidekick c)jealous supervillain

    I know it was for streamlining the plot, but it was funny how Pat took the kids along but left their parents behind...sure Rick's uncle is worthless, and Yoland is on the outs with most of her family, but Beth's parents are her world...

    still think somehow Brainwave and Icicle are going to come to blows before this is all over...
     
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    Stargirl's Season Finale Features Multiple Post-Credits Sequences

    The first season of Stargirl will soon come to an end, but not before it gives audiences extra content in the form of bonus scenes before the final fade out. It has also been reported that there will be a surprise twist around the midpoint of the episode and at least two post-credit sequences.

    While Season 2 of Stargirl has been confirmed, the finale episode will be the last audiences see of the Arrowverse for some time, as production and numerous projects have been delayed as a result of the coronavirus (COVID-19) pandemic. The Arrowverse shows will return in 2021 instead

    Series creator Geoff Johns hasn't been shy about dropping Easter eggs in the show, which he has said aren't Easter eggs but historic nods that will lead to bigger stories. The decision to include multiple endings falls in line with his stance on delivering extra content to the fans.
     
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    I'm still putting money on Mike finding the Thunderbolt pen and coming to the rescue at the last second.
     
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    Now that would be a killer moment! :D 
     
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    Or his friend, Jakeem.
     
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