Sorry I didn’t mean he probably thought he was above sci-fi, just Transformers. His statement posted earlier in the thread about the movie being designed to sell toys is more what I was going off of

 

No. HG Wells was responsible for the original War of the Worlds, which is a literary classic. There are a million miles between that and an animated to commercial. If you don't believe Welles' own quotes about how he viewed TF:TM, or think he considered it anything like on the level of his other work, you are living in more of a fantasy world than the Transformers do.

 

You really seem to have a hateboner for certain people you've never met.

IDW comic writer whom Novaburnhilde hates because something something SJW WIMMEN ROBOT CHARACTERS BAD.

 

No one’s said Shia Lebouf yet? That dude is notorious for how much he hates the movies he did.

She was given the unenviable task of introducing female Autobots (and gendered Transformers as a concept) into the IDW comics after Furman had already firmly established that they didn’t exist.

I don’t know how she’s expected to do that without also addressing Arcee. So she did & she didn’t retcon Arcee’s spotlight issue.

She did an interview where she was asked specifically about Spotlight: Arcee and she answered honestly. That some people took her answers as an attack on Simon Furman is unfortunate, but unintended. And they patched things up privately after he learned that his work wasn’t being retconned anyway.

She went on to write plenty of good TF stories both in comics and in the cartoon series, including TFP, RID 2015, & Cyberverse. She’s far from sad or pathetic.

 

What about Megan Fox who was literally fired and replaced in Dark of the Moon. It made no sense in universe like they gave the weakest explanation ever for why she wasn't there. Clearly it was for real life reasons and no real in story reason why she would break up with Sam after everything they went through together in the first 2 movies.

 

I don’t think she hated TFs exactly. It was Bay’s directing style. She only ever criticized him as far as I know.

 

True but still she hated working on those movies. I don't think she even knows what Transformers is beyond the movies she was in. It's not like the actors from the Unicron Trilogy who hated working on those show because they knew it was terrible and that fans would hate it. She just didn't like Micheal Bay and thought the movies were shit. I don't think she ever said they were bad because it wasn't a good representation of Transformers, she just thought they were bad in general.

I don't really disagree with her. I mean the first one if it just wasn't called Transformers and didn't have those names slapped all over it was a kind of decent movie but the sequels even if they weren't Transformers movies they'd still be terrible movies. Characters motivations don't make any sense like that scene where Megatron says no one leads but him and them immediately for no reason starts groveling at the Fallen's feet and taking orders, like he doesn't even try to take command back, he only says that to Starscream. Or how Sentinel says he's doing this to save the Autobots while actively trying to kill them. He also says that Megatron is too powerful to ever beat and then later in the same movie beats the shit out of Megatron in front of his own soldiers who do nothing to stop him and Carly has to give Megatron a pep talk to convince him to stand up for himself which he should of immediately done on his own anyway. The movies also are constantly contradicting each other like first movie, only the AllSpark can create new Transformers. Second movie, there are Decepticon hatchlings implying they have some kind of biologicial reproduction system, Age of Extinction they were built, they weren't born, they only think they're born. The Last Knight has Baby Dinobots so we're back to biological reproduction. They have three entirely different reproduction methods across 5 movies and some times two or three of them are brought up within the same movie. Even if there was no connection to Transformers what so ever, all the names were changed, the plots still wouldn't make any freaking sense.

I have even seen a few of these movies with people who are not into Transformers at all and they know I love Transformers so they always end up asking me to explain the plot to them for the movie that we literally just saw. One of my friends, we often talk about comic book movies and stuff and usually I'm the one asking him about stuff that I'm not familiar with but with Transformers the tables turned because he doesn't follow Transformers. So one time we were talking and he just straight up asks me "Are the Transformers movies really as bad as I think they are or is there something I'm just not getting?" And my response was "No they really are just that bad."

I should also mention that both of us were in theater together and because of our acting backgrounds we tend to view movies more critically than the average person anyway. But yeah neither of can figure out why anyone likes those movies.

 

The guy who voiced Omega Supreme in G1 apperently wasn't very fond of the character.

 

I seem to recall later reports contradicting Orson's dislike for Unicron; someone like Ron Friedman said Orson was a big fan of animation, and lest we forget this nugget from TFW:

The word of TFWiki for the people of TFWiki.

 

Actually, they just can't understand the nature of the story. It's a PTSD story which also addresses hard sci fi notions of a genderless race simultaneously in about 24 pages, not the ideal set up. The real issue came from people that nitpicked minutiae from the story and went out of their way to interpret it as an attack on a demographic.

Little more nuanced than that, but it was clear that Scott spearheaded a massive push that ran counter to established lore. It wasn't a personal attack on Furman, nor was it some sort of massive feminist stance. Neither side of that debate are right in that respect. Like I said, nuanced.

I've never met Warren Ellis, but I genuinely detest his habit of destroying properties I care about solely to satiate his ego and cram in some garbage chain smoking cynical Brit nihilist in ever goddamned book he works on, logical or not. I'd take a defensive stance if you attempted to invalidate my opinion so swiftly out of hand.

Second half of your post? It might be in your best interest to do some research into certain poster's gender/sex before coming off sounding like a complete ass...

 

I'm familiar with Novaburnhilde's posting history. It's full of anti-SJW/anti-IDW/anti-female robots rants. The gender/sex of the poster is irrelevant to that. The user's posting history speaks for itself.

 

I don’t think spearheaded is the right word. Commissioned is more like it. Hasbro had just held their big event that resulted in the creation of Windblade. They wanted to put her in the comics. Scott was hired to make that happen. If it wasn’t her, it would’ve been someone else.

That story was always going to happen & Scott navigated the minefield of that whole can of worms better than most. I honestly don’t think she was dying to paint a giant target on her back so she could spearhead anything TF related. She was just hired to do a job.

God, right? He ruined Castlevania spectacularly. His writing on that show is like rough draft material & no one around him has the nerve to edit or critique his work. Some of the worst garbage I’ve ever seen, but it gets unreal praise. Why? Because it has Ellis’ name attached to it? Garbage. Absolute trash.

 

Every time I read the title of this thread I get more of a headache. I’m trying to stop myself repeatedly rereading it but it’s becoming a masochistic habit.

Anyway, I think Michael Bay should be ashamed of some aspects of his work and he might find himself in a tricky place being judged harshly in the post metoo world.

I saw a bit of one of his later films recently and there was a really sinister scene where a guy was almost bragging to the father of his girlfriend about being able to get around the age of consent laws. That scene combined with the over-sexualised way in which they portray the female characters will probably be things that don’t do him any favours in the long run.

 

This scene is literally from Transformers: Age of Extinction, unless Bay plays that same gag multiple times. Did you skip that one?

 

Wally Burr sounds like he was quite an unpleasant voice director to work with. Several G1 voice actors have spoken about the lengthy sessions they would have to endure under Burr.

 

The second one was one of the worst films I’ve ever seen as the bloated and boring storyline stopped it from becoming a so bad it’s funny film because of the dubious twins and I gave the third one a go out of brand loyalty and it was a slight improvement but also pretty awful so I’ve never bothered going out of my way to watch one since until I noticed age of extinction repeated on television so I flicked over to it and I thought that scene was pretty gross even by Michael Bays grubby and rude standards.

I suspect that in the near future a lot of people involved in these movies will all be putting distance between themselves and their involvement in them as they are only going to continue to age badly and a sign of Hollywood sleaze.

 

To set the record straight, H.G. Wells wrote War of the Worlds in 1897, and Orson Welles did manage to scare a large number of Americans in 1938 with a radio broadcast of War of the Worlds.

And O. Welles did have an interesting relationship with Unicron. I can definitely understand why he thought it was a step down from his previous work but he definitely set the tone for the role.

How 1986 movie was able to cast Welles, Leonard Nimoy, Robert Stack, and Judd Nelson is unbelievable for a movie that was originally designed to sell toys. I mean, Nimoy had to have been working on ST:TVH at the same time as the Transformers movie and Judd Nelson had just done Breakfast Club and Saint Elmo's Fire. I guess Stack didn't make it big until Unsolved Mysteries in 1987, but he wasn't exactly unknown either. I wonder if each of these guys had a kid or grandkid interested in Transformers and that influenced them taking the role.

And it may be an unpopular opinion, but I never really cared for Megan Fox in 2007's Transformers or Revenge of the Fallen. But, I have also heard Michael Bay is a crazy person to work for, and that she didn't get along well with him or Steven Spielberg, and no one deserves to be belittled at work.

On a slightly different take on the thread, I know Stan Bush loves his work on the Transformers, and wanted to be in the '07 movie. I think Vince DiCola and Weird Al Yankovic are both somewhat neutral on it.

 

It's not really that unbelievable. The Go-Bots movie did exactly the same thing... so has pretty much every animated movie EVER... They always cast big name celebrities because they think it'll sell more tickets... though as anyone on the internet in recent years will tell you... NO ONE CARES!!! They didn't have the internet back then giving them constant feedback but now days it's a mystery why they keep doing this. The kids don't know or care who any of these people are anyway. Adults either won't care if a celebrity is in an animated movie or only care if they can play the character. No one gives a crap if they can recognize a celebrity voice in a movie and the ones who are actually good at voice acting aren't recognizable in their roles anyway. So there's freaking no real point in ever casting someone based on celebrity status.

That's possible but it's usually money. Movies have a much larger budget that TV shows which is largely why none of the movie cast returned in season 3... well that and Orson Wells death but it's unlikely he would of returned in season 3 anyway even if he had still been alive because they wouldn't be able to afford to keep paying him as a series regular.

That's another issue I have with movies casting celebrities is the fact that if there's ever a TV series attached to it all those characters have to be recast anyway.

You mean Revenge of the Fallen... she wasn't in Dark of the Moon.

I never heard her say anything bad about Steven Spielberg, just Micheal Bay... and I think he totally deserved it because I can tell just watching the movies and with all the behind the scenes stuff that everything she said about him was 100% true. It's not belittling if it's factually accurate. Technically he belittled her... the freaking script belittles her, and keep in mind these are things that Micheal Bay wanted added to the script which over sexualize her character to the point where even robots are literally humping her. Don't make Bay out to be the victim there. No one deserves to be sexually harassed by someone twice their age who also happens to be their boss. It'd be one thing if it make sense within context of the story but nothing makes sense within the context of the story and all the sexual stuff is just really wrong especially in a movie designed to sell toys to children.

Weird Al? Neutral? I'm pretty sure he loves Transformers considering I think "Dare to be Stupid" is the only original song he's ever made that wasn't a parody of something else... maybe I'm mistake there but if it is a parody I've never heard the original. If it's not his only original that isn't a parody of another song I've never heard that either. Also he actually voiced Wreck-Gar in Transformers Animated. Plus... you know... the dude's name is "Weird" Al... you don't call yourself weird while at the same time being above a kids cartoon. He basically is a kids entertainer anyway. He's the last person I would ever expect to be like oh no I hate this crap, cause his entire imagine has kind of been this goofy guy who loves this sort of stuff.

If he did secretly hate it and his entire career has just been an act... which does happen some times... I'd like to know who REALLY wrote all his material.

 

Aaaand neither Revenge of the Fallen nor Dark of the Moon were released in 2007.

Actually no and no. Weird Al doesn't only do direct parodies of existing songs, he also does a lot of "style parodies" of existing bands. Those songs are his own, they are just meant to mimick the style of certain bainds. "Dare to be Stupid" is a style parody of new wave/rock band Devo. Whose song "Whip It" was later used for the sound chip of the 2007 movie line's "Ultimate Bumblebee" toy.