Think I'm gonna have to buy 84.

 

Read this today thanks to Google Play. Loved it. Hanging for more of Punch/Counterpunch and his time 'working' for Shockwave or whomever is next to lead on Cybertron.

 

Wasn't Marvel Jetfire created on Earth by Shockwave? Or is this '84 playing fast and loose with continuity?

 

By reboot, do you mean the main IDW TF title? Because that series isn't associated with Secrets and Lies at all.

 

I'd assume that will be part of the tale.

Spoiler

(there's a cover that offers a clue)

 

After that Optimus thing in #0 even Unicron being actually a good guy only tricked by Bill Cypher to believe that Primus will be responsable for the reduced season 5 of The Wire would seem tolerable.

 

This can't come fast enough.

If by 'thing' you mean an action that made total sense and wasn't out of character for him than sure. Pretty sure in the original mini-series he intentionally attempts to kill Megs and his crew by crashing into prehistoric Earth, this just now implies he was aware their mission was most likely going to be a one way mission.

So in regards to re contextualizing existing scenes... it's not that much of a stretch.

 

Cancel the ongoing and make more of this please.

 

That coloring is so spot on!

 

There's nothing is Transformers issue #1 indicating that Optimus intention was to lure Megatron into a trap conceived to kill everybody.
84' implies just that. And between that intention and "worst case scenario" there actually is a pretty big fucking stretch.
Now maybe Furman's idea is maybe to lure us thinking Optimus wanted that. We'll see. But that doesn't change the fact that it still doesn't make a lot of sense (Great Prime, you willingly killed your men, now let's Straxus get all the pool fun), and, as for now, not really in character.

But outstanding art, that's undeniable.

 

I think I will get this one.

 

In issue 1 it appeared to be a last ditch attempt in order to take the head of the Decepticons out of the picture because it didn't look like they were gonna make it either way, what's being presented in this mini-series so far is just proposing the idea that Optimus was more aware of their odds then he let on and knew Megatron would probably strike at them while they were weakened and was banking on it. Doesn't mean what he did was morally 'good', but morality takes a backseat in war times, not even taking into account how many of his men would probably willingly give their lives if it meant taking bucket-head down for good. So in regards to retcons it really isn't that big of a change.

A stretch would be blaming Optimus for Straxus.

I'd rather wait to read this mini myself before talking about this more but this emotional response to an action that while extreme does make sense given the context of the situation they were in at the time, it makes MORE sense than Optimus just deciding to suicide bomb ancient Earth when all hope seemed lost.

 

Yes

Yes

It wasn't indeed

We're talking about the heroic leader of a children comic book from the 80's named The Transformers. Like, the one where this same character prefers suicide rather than the death of the vilain (the same one he apparantly wanted to kill so bad he's prepared to sacrifice his men without their conscent) because he felt like doing otherwise would be dishonest. Morality is frontseat.

And that's the whole issue. Sure if he asked them, if he warned them about that, they would all surely agree. But he didn't. How the hell is that G1 Optimus like ?

Therefore...

It is.

Indeed. I was only poiting out the "make sense" part, because it doesn't. As it is explain in The Transformers comics. Taking Megatron out of the picture while also deprivating Cybertron of its finest soldiers will solve absolutely nothing.
Now, Optimus not being smart enough to figure that out being in character can be debatle (I think he is smarter than that though), but you can't say that this decision makes sense.



Anyway, don't feel like spending hours on this simple matter, but agree to disagree, it's really fine.

 

Here are some comments from another forum from people who didn't like the comic that I agree a little:

 

Oh, so S&L is a completely new thing?
That's just gonna confuse the casuals...

 

it's a prequel to the original marvel G1, hence the '84 attached to the title, just like how IDW's been ran G.I.Joe A Real American Hero, a continuation of the Marvel run, alongside their various "homegrown" continuities.

 

How many of us are advocating for comics to be written about our lives? Seems like a strange comparison. People want more action than the book is providing. I've not read any of IDW 2.0 so I cannot critique it legitimately, but I try to read the previews and based off those it seems like an extremely slow burn. So slow, that all the criticisms I'm seeing about it lead me to believe it's not so much a slow burn as it is a room temperature slog.

 

Nothing? Here's a direct quote from OP in Issue #1 that takes place right before the Ark is crashed:

"I had anticipated such a move by the Decepticons. The Ark and its secrets must never fall into enemy hands, so I plotted an alternate course that would take us on a suicidal heading directly into the third planet of this solar system. Farewell, my friend. Though we die, at least our enemies are taken with us."

If you're going to make an argument, at least do it in good faith.

 

Woo! Now that's a good primary source argument!

Marvel Optimus was gritty and wracked with guilt for a REASON. MANY reasons.

 

Many thanks for the assistance, friend. My memory isn't always the best.   I was fairly certain I didn't pull that out of thin air but I could've been mistaken.