This thread (and every MTMTE/LL discussion thread) is basically

 

I think the story is great as it was. Lost Light included. Not to say it was flawless, but great nonetheless.
I think your suggestion would make it boring. Kinda like someone in some other thread said that Tarn should have been Roller. No, he shouldn't have. That would be boring and expected.
I can't really comment on Windblade or Optimus Prime. Didn't like them too much and sometimes only read them to make sure I don't have any gaps in the story.
But Megatron saying haha I fooled you? Yawn. That's G1 cartoon level of fiction.

 

So this thread and every MTMTE/LL thread is you trolling with memes, bringing nothing to the conversation while trying to invalidate the points of anyone whose preference runs counter to yours?

Sounds pretty accurate, actually.

 

It does get old at some point though. Like 3rd party discussion where in every non-MP thread someone will write 'what they really need to do is an MP version of this'. Memes are all we are left with eventually.

 

But the real takeaway? Is anyone bickering about the current TF comic? No. Because no one gives a f@#%!

 

Not really but I can see why someone like you would think that way.

Just curious: how can you criticize the new IDW stuff and call it crap when you seem to adore some of IDW's worst stuff? Why should I or anyone for that matter take any of your criticism seriously when you're blind to the flaws of stories you seem to love unconditionally and lack the ability to criticize?

Nice watermark on that crusty-ass meme by the way, much better than taking the time to think out a proper argument. Your welcome for even taking the time to respond to such low effort bait by the way, I don't do that often.

You're 38 years old (apparently) and this is how you respond to those who say things you disagree with? How unfortunate.

It's nice that you think that, that doesn't mean it was good objectively. I'm talking about it's merits from an objective standpoint, I couldn't care less what you feel or personally think is nice. I'm sorry you find my suggestion boring, even though it'd have been much more accurate to who Megatron is as a character. Roller would've made much more sense than a dumb twist for the sake of it, it being expected shouldn't matter because you seem to prefer something random rather than something that had proper build up.

As expected your arguments amount to "but I feel-" good for you, I don't care about what you feel.

 

dude, that’s not a thing.

 

If you can't at least pretend to care about others' opinions, why should we care about yours?

 

But that's the basis for *your* entire argument here as well.

 

1. You're perfectly free to not care about my opinions when I offer them, that's totally within your right to do so. I believe I am offering an objective argument for how and why Autobot Megatron doesn't and can't work, it is my opinion and I believe I'm right about this and I've not really received any good arguments that make me reconsider my stance. I'd care a lot more about what they had to say if they could voice their arguments coherently without being uber defensive and passive aggressive about it. I believe I've made a solid argument objectively for how and why Autobot Megs can't realistically work, the arguments i get mostly consist of what others feel, when my feelings don't really factor into my argument.

2. IDW fanboys / girls (you know who you are) are seemingly incapable of looking at the stories they like critically, so I could discard their arguments based on that alone but instead I still try to engage with some of them, often to my own detriment. Not even getting into all the intellectual dishonesty and willful misrepresentation, they came to this thread not because they were willing to listen to another point of view and consider I and others have a point in our criticisms towards Roberts and Autobot Megs as a concept, they showed up to defend the honor of the story that they've attached themselves to because it's their sacred cow.

I feel this discussion has run its course, thanks to those who contributed constructively to the discussion.  

 

Look at the post by @Bass X0 at the top of the page and tell me with a straight face that @Novaburnhilde isn't justified in dismissing arguments (and I'm being MORE than generous with that term here) such as that.

Also the post above mine is spot on.

 

Only a few of the arguments are as poorly done as Bass's.

Mostly, I object to NBH mistaking her own subjective opinions about good writing as if they were objective standards. Her opinions are no more objective than any others in this thread, since it's literally impossible for a work to be objectively well-written (or objectively badly written, for that matter).

Also also, while she frames it as her being attacked by obsessive fans, she comes across as being shocked that people wouldn't regard her idea as a good one.

 

Exactly. There is no objective measure of what is good writing (or good art for that matter). You could measure, objectively, how many people subjectively liked the writing or whatever. This is what all review aggregators are doing. You would also need to account for your cultural similarities or differences. And even then it won't and shouldn't mean you must like it.

We can debate here about character's motives and what makes sense or doesn't in the context of the book. But to proclaim you own the definition of what is objectively good is, well, stupid.

 

No, quite a few are on that level.

And we can definitely disagree on writing unable to be objectively good or bad. "I like it" isn't a disqualifier of something sucking. B movies are bad regardless of cult status.

And if @Novaburnhilde comes off as anything it's shock over the lack of objectivity. See also Movie forums on this site.

No, art being unclassifiable as objectively good or bad comes solely from that goalpost being moved nonstop. Take figure drawing for instance. You can draw a human that's anatomically incorrect with piss poor proportions and it would be bad figure art, right up until you use the words impressionistic or surrealistic, and BAM no metrics matter. I think shit like that is the o ly reason the Panders even get work in the comics industry.