I do understand what a nuclear blast is. And as I said previously, a pressure wave is highly reliant on an atmosphere, or a medium for it to propagate and the status of Cybertron's atmosphere is dubious. In space a nuclear bomb is a hot dense cloud of plasma and other high energy particles expanding at a phenomenal rate and also reducing in power by the inverse cube of the distance from the point of detonation. In space a nuke isn't the powerhouse people think it is, because it doesn't have a medium to propagate the force it generates.

As I also said, I don't take anything from the movies. TFs can be destroyed by being run over by a truck in those films. They're basically walking piles of barely held together scrap, not solid robots that change shape.

I also said I thought it was entirely possible for a TF to be killed if near the centre of a nuclear blast, as it would reach temperatures and pressures capable of destroying them (in a vacuum this centre would be very small without atmosphere to superheat - if you're relying on the mass and energy of the bomb itself, well they aren't usually that heavy). But I think the lethality drops to nothing only a little further away, which makes them not particularly useful in a cybertronian war. If they aren't pinpoint targeted, they don't work. And they have many other weapons that are better and more accurate in that vein.

If you want to go down the energy shield route, as I said, their spark and body is full of high energy energon. It is coursing through their entire form. This makes their whole body a supercharged energy field, and thus could deflect the damage.


This isn't about making them indestructible, it's about how their war could function if nukes were lethal and how short a war it would have been. How cybertron would be relatively unscathed after nuclear blasts and there's no ecosystem to destroy, so no downsides to their deployment. How megatron is easily the kind of dictator who would definitely have deployed them against his enemies if he had a super weapon that could wipe out 100,000 transformers in a single blast. How the technology is so basic (built in the 40's using analogue parts, as a ring of shaped explosives around a sphere of radioactive ore is not difficult to make), that hyperadvanced transformers could make guns that fired nuke bullets quite easily if it was considered a good weapon.

As an alien cybernetic organism, made of alien alloys and with the most energy dense material flowing through their bodies, I don't have a problem with them having different vulnerabilities to different things. It's not about making them indestructible at all, it's about making them differently destructible. energon-based weaponry being extremely potent because of its relationship to them.

Now I'm on board with an energon-nuclear bomb, but this would necessarily be very difficult to build (or again would always be deployed), it would be hyperdestructive (ie half of cybertron gone in an instant) and thus would be impossible to use properly.

As far as I'm concerned, any attack that can destroy a TF is one that is imbued with energon or whatever vulnerability they have. But conventional munitions and weapons are not lethal, not even nukes.

 

And again, this is only based on a fictional perspective that according to physics isn't possible, so if you pick one particular store written by one writer and if that writer wants to put down that Beachcomber can eat suns and go Nova and destroy galaxies for fun, then so be it.... Doesn't mean it's possible in reality.

Again, the Marvel type of ubber powered stuff just gets ridiculous.

 

Marvel just wants to have the most powerful characters...

 

You really got a “thing” for marvel don’t you?

 

I apologise if my posts have given you the impression that this would work in reality. I assumed that as transformers themselves, no matter how you frame them, are also impossible in reality, that we were discussing this in that context.

Magic space physics is the underpinning of transformers, so that's where my position has been coming from.

 

No. It’s just that they want to be the more powerful franchise...and the other “thing”. That’s all

 

More powerful franchise....do you mean between Marvel and Transformers?What makes you think Marvel wants to be “The more powerful franchise”?

Do you think Marvel ,as a franchise, is not?

What other thing?

That you have encountered fans that like marvel over transformers?

You seem to attribute a lot of the negativity you have found from marvel fans towards the franchise itself.....which seems rather odd

 

Well the thing is, from one story to another their abilities changes, so any "power" they have in one version, doesn't exist in another, so to go with an average, TFs can be destroyed by a fist fight so they just can't magically survive a nuclear explosion, even with comic book logic, that's beyond any sort of limit.

Go with G1, movie time.. how did they die?
Go with the first Marvel comics....how did Optimus die?

Yup, pop guns and firecrackers, nothing stronger.

It's all about who's writing the story, and the whole god-like powers stuff is a good part of why I stopped caring or collecting comics. No character truly "dies" ever, it's reborn, magically survives, is revived, etc. to the next writer's whim or the next story/writer comes along. And then it needs to be epic, and then MORE epic, so powers are increased to the point of being completely ridiculous and absolutely beyond intelligent or possible even by comic book standards.

It's lazy and kills any hope for a proper story, for any true character development... immortal and godlike makes for very boring material.

Edit:

Maybe for all these questions that people keep asking about powers and abilities, we should consider a "rule of thumb": stating the media accordingly, such as:


Can a TFs survive a nuclear blast according to:
(not withstanding a single occasion / temporary story line that a plot driven resurrection or indestructibility that is pulled out of the writer's behind)

Movies : nope, a fist fight, a blaster can kill them

Cartoons

• Transformers: Generation 1 : nope, a fist fight, a blaster can kill them
  
  
• Transformers: Generation 2: nope, a fist fight, a blaster can kill them
• Beast Era: nope, a fist fight, a blaster can kill them
  
  
• Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2001 series)
  
  
• Unicron Trilogy : nope, a fist fight, a blaster can kill them, BUT they can be revived unless completely destroyed
  • Transformers: Armada
  • Transformers: Energon
  • Transformers: Cybertron
• Transformers: Animated: nope, a fist fight, a blaster can kill them
• Aligned continuity
  • Transformers: Prime (2010–2013): nope, a fist fight, a blasters can kill them
  • Transformers: Rescue Bots (2012–2016; 2019)
  • Transformers Go! (2013–2014)
  • Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2015–2017)
• Prime Wars Trilogy: nope, a fist fight, a blasters can kill them
  • Transformers: Combiner Wars (2016 series)
  • Transformers: Titans Return (2017 series)
  • Transformers: Power of the Primes (2018 series)
• Transformers: Cyberverse

Comics:

• Marvel Comics
  • The Transformers (Generation 1), Marvel, U.S. nope, a fist fight, a blaster can kill them
    • Marvel UK
  • The Transformers: The Movie, Marvel, U.S., 1986 nope, a fist fight, a blaster can kill them
  • Transformers Universe, Marvel, U.S., 1986
  • I. Joe and The Transformers, Marvel, U.S., 1987
  • The Transformers: Headmasters, Marvel, U.S., 1987–1988
  • Transformers Generation 2, Marvel, U.S., 1993
  • New Avengers/Transformers, U.S., 2007

• Dreamwave Productions
  • Generation 1
    • Transformers: Generation 1 (2002)
    • Transformers: The War Within
    • Transformers: Micromasters
    • Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye
  • Armada/Energon
    • Transformers: Armada (2002–2003)
    • Transformers: Energon (2003–2004)
    • Transformers Armada: More Than Meets the Eye
  • Transformers/G.I. Joe
  • Transformers/G.I. Joe: Divided Front
  • Transformers Summer Special
  • The Beast Within
  • Beast Wars (unreleased)

• IDW Publishing
  • Generation One
    • The Transformers: Infiltration
    • The Transformers: Stormbringer
    • The Transformers: Spotlight
    • The Transformers: Escalation
    • The Transformers: Megatron Origin
    • The Transformers: Devastation
  • Other series
    • Beast Wars
    • The Transformers: Generations
    • The Transformers: Evolutions
    • Transformers: The Animated Movie
    • 2007 film
    • Transformers: Cybertron – Balancing Act
    • The Transformers Magazine
    • Transformers: Regeneration One
    • Star Trek vs Transformers
    • Transformers: Lost Light
  • Other publishers
    • 3H Enterprises
    • Benchpress Comics
    • Blackthorne Publishing
    • Devil's Due Publishing
      • I. Joe vs. the Transformers
      • I. Joe vs. the Transformers 2
      • I. Joe vs. the Transformers 3: The Art of War
      • I. Joe vs the Transformers 4: Black Horizon
    • Panini Comics
    • Titan Magazines
  • Hasbro mini-comics
    • Optimus Primal/Megatron – "Beast Wars"
    • Transformers: Armada
  • References
  • External links

So anyone can feel free to fill the rest in. I did the basic ones that I can remember off the top of my head, but there's a few cartoons that I haven't watched in a long time, or haven't yet, and for comics, I only read one here and there as the very thing about "epic" and over the board abilities tend to push me away and loses my interest.

 

Your list is literally incorrect across the board. There are more continuities where kiloton/megaton levels of power exist than not. Again, people downplaying the franchise because they personally find it not believable that a robot could survive such power. There's more than enough evidence of nuclear levels of power and far beyond that.

 

I'm assuming that the excessive heat would be fatal to standard Cybertronians. If detonated high enough to create an EMP effect I imagine that smaller bots may die but larger ones may be temporarily incapacitated. Radiation won't have an effect on their bodies.

This is era sensitive though as I'm betting Bayverse Cybertronians who seem to be very biological with how their mechanisms work will die in similar ways that a human would. For example Bumblebee's voice couldn't be fixed and they had better luck with a transplant and Ironhide has a problem with one hip. They do suffer under high heat, so I think they'd be more susceptible to nukes.

 

While I doubt he could even survive Fat Man, BH Predaking has tanked massive explosions.

 

Maybe not marvel, but...

 

Mhm true very very true.