omg neither did I, I just looked it up and all I could do is go nooooooooo whyyyyyy lol

 

On top of that, it's clear that Scott really isnt into the relationship and while I never read the graphic novels, I'm pretty sure it wasnt a sexual relationship.

 

And Romeo and Juliet, whether one likes it or not, fits in Bay's irreverent directorial style. He's not promoting it. He's saying, "Stuff like this actually happens."

Truth be told, both situations ("Happy Time" and "R & J") are awkward things that could happen when parents confront teenagers and their potential romantic involvements. I don't think either one is more out of place or more awkward than the other.

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Given it's only mentioned in one scene, I think that's more people choosing to have their faces rubbed in it rather than the movie doing that.

And yet, there's plenty of fiction in the brand I don't care for, but I let people who enjoy that fiction enjoy it.

Not what I said at all.

What I was saying is that I don't think fiction that's 100% "good" or 100% "bad" exists. Even the worst things have some silver lining, and even the best fictional works have aspects that could be better.

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But then it wouldn't be Transformers. I'm not talking about totally losing the identity of the brand, which is something none of the films do.

Guess what: Rian Johnson doesn't have to. It was his movie. If anything, I think it would have been better had he done more of his own thing and not let Disney and Kathleen Kennedy be so involved.

Did I have say people have to like anything?

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I don't know how you got "mad" from the tone of my post.

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I used those as examples of why I liked the movie. Simple as that.

So? Who cares? The percentage of people who agree with something is not evidence of validity.​

Did I ever say you were? You accused me of being predictable, and yet you yourself can come across as doing the same thing over-and-over.

The point was, I don't think one was any more out of place than the other in a Transformers movie. They're both PG-13 subject matters in PG-13 movies. There's zero nudity in either scene.

Heck, the AoE scene in question isn't graphic or explicit and doesn't even mention sex or sexual acts at all, and yet it's somehow considered so much worse than "Sam's Happy Time?" That makes ZERO sense to me.

I understand fans disliking both or disliking neither. I don't get the double standards of some fans who have no problem with similar stuff in the first three films and then turn around and act as if the (less explicit) Romeo and Juliet is some major crime against the brand, cinema, and humanity. All of those sorts of scenes in the Bay movies are awkward.

I can't disagree with you there, but the point is, I think it can be a good thing for films to venture out of people's comfort zones and get them discussing ideas. Furthermore, I think how fans act toward each other is more on them rather than on film makers.

I don't even particularly care for the scene either way; I just find it interesting how people make such a big deal about it, when for me, that part of the scene barely registered.

 

Yeah and that movie is well a different movie for a differnt type of person. It can have that stuff and be funny cuz of what it is. but when its in something like Transformers, its just weird.

 

And somehow the first example was fine from a story telling point of view. In fact, Scott was 23 years old compared to Shane in AOE who was 20.

Also Knive's father is 9 years older than her mum. So...

Especially considering an alternate ending for the film exists.

Teenage boys?

 

maybe i'm just not getting what you're saying, but it seems like you're saying a scene about a creepy, possibly pediphilic relationship is comparable to... a guy dying horrifically to a transformer, in a transformers movie?

 

Some things just register more than others for me.

That whole R+J thing escaped my mind as soon as the movie kept going.

 

It just dawned on me; I think the 2nd worst thing about this scene and the writing in general is that by taking the ending into consideration Cade is now A-OK with his underaged daughter dating a creepy legal adult carrying an age of consent law that works in one part of the country. Like I know we're putting too much thought into a movie made by Michael Bay, but the fact that Cade is fine with Shane by the end of the movie really sets the gross bar up to 11. A rewrite could have made the human characters slightly better than garbage if they had Shane break up with Tessa, knowing while she's cool, she's got so much ahead of her further than him or something cliche. The R+J scene is all of that plus gross, unnecessary, unfunny, and full of that cutting edge writing and direction of Kruger and Bay.

And we're still talking about a movie based on a franchise meant to sell toys to kids and fans.

We get it, you like AOE, but you picked the wrong hill to die on if you just think it's just him. You may not have a problem with that scene, but there are many people, not just here, who have their own reasons for hating that scene and many like it in other films.

And yeah Scott and Knives isn't a better example either, but in the case of the film and books Scott's just finding love in all the wrong places, and Scott's friends think him dating a minor is creepy as fuck and he knows it. It took someone like Ramona to realize how shit of a person he is, even if it took a bit to get running and fighting.​

 

Just pointing out what I said earlier because people keep asking why this scene exist

 

I mean, there's something saying when Shane needs to bring that card everywhere...

 

But that makes little sense, if not still weird in the context of things. She was 19 when TF4 premiered in 2014. You're saying that TF4 was being shot in 2012, right after the heels of TF3 in 2011 which puts the actress at 17 as the movie called her to be? They were still running with that idea while they were shooting. That just means they still thought about it, but it wasn't until people found about it that they had to add the R+J scene scene to cool people's jets and release it when the actress is now the general AOC everywhere.

Something about that doesn't seem right, unless we know when the film started shooting. Even then it's still gross and bloated.

 

Welcome to Hollywood.

We've casted 20 year olds to play 15 to 17 year olds in the past for our movies.

Also AOC? What's she got to do with this? Unless this is an acronym for something else.

 

Ugh, 5 pages about that scene...

 

I don't know about the comic, but I remember the in the movie that he said the only thing they've done was a hug and almost held hands.

 

Yeah, it's been a while since I saw the film, I really need to watch it again because it's pretty fun, but that sounds about right - I just know that he ends up breaking up with Knives right after she invites him over for her birthday dinner to meet her parents. I think maybe she kisses him at the end of the film when she finally moves on from him.

 

Here's the thing: I don't even like the Shane character or care particularly for that scene, even if I like the vast majority of things in the movie.

I just don't understand the blowing out of proportion about that particular scene when we have had several films with content of similar nature. Like if I don't like a scene in a movie, I may criticize it once or twice, but then I move on. There are plenty of cringey scenes in movies. Every single one of the Transformers movies has more than one I would say, but it's not worth singling out any of the cringey scenes when they exist in all of the Transformers movies. That is what I'm saying.

 

Yeah, a quick one on the cheek. It was pretty innocent. All of it's pretty funny because the actress herself is like 4 years older than him. 

 

sarcasm.

17 to 20 year olds are still more or less the same age and maturity(or lack of it).

 

Let's put it this way... Paramount, the writers, the director, and finally the producers of Bumblebee realized stuff like that wasn't necessary in a TF film and Bumblebee was the flick that saved the franchise and reached a wider audience without offense. And guess what? It worked.

That's food for thought, if nothing else. *shrugs*

 

That's the reason he did not want his daughter dating or as I said seeing someone when she was in high school it was not that he did not trust his daughter it was boys he didn't trust, and when he found out she was dating and about the age difference that made him more uneasy and fearful what he was worried about might happen. What does one thing have to do with the other? Because unlike the thread starter posted there was never any dialog in the movie specific to his daughter and the boyfriend actually having sex.