We all still don't know the answer to the question. We have no information on the topic of Raiden's size, aesthetic, or even if it will be six transforming robots who combine*. That might not stop you from asking, but it should affect your expectations for answers

*It could be an action master Raiden and 6 non-transforming N-scale trains for all we know

 

You can mean whatever you like, and I'm not going to tell you you're wrong. My point was simply that we don't know (and won't until we see the actual toy) how Takara is defining the term. They could very well intend for some definition of "MP scaled," yet anger any number of fans who used a different definition.

 

I am curious how they are going about this. I guess ideally a box set would be ideal, it's how they've sold their other combiners before,and with amazon you could pay it off up till release. That might be harder to pull off now and I dont think you want them to be single releases. There simply are a lot better single release options fans would prefer to see. Maybe a bundle by twos stetched out over a year and a half?Like Green Giant. I guess once we see what it actually is, will tell us a lot about how they're going to try and sell it.

 

Is this a serious question?

Devastator was Masterpiece scale, not a Masterpiece figure. I feel like I made myself very clear it was the size and only the size that was in question.

IIRC the intent was to make Devastator scale since the likelihood of a true MP Devastator that time was non-existnat, so they at least wanted fans to have a decent stand-in when combined purely for display. Nothing more.

 

No it wasn't a serious question. Who says masterpiece and thinks of cw devastator? The masterpiece series although sometimes flawed was made for adult collectors. Titans are figures you get your kids for xmas or bdays

 

At the risk of explaining myself for a third time, CW Devastator is not a Masterpiece. Nobody said he was a Masterpiece. He was merely meant to be scaled to Masterpiece, in the event that he was the best we ever got. And this intent was expressed only by the designer, it was never a selling point or advertised, it's more like a "I was making a big Devastator anyway so I made it MP scale for fun in case anyone's into that."

 

Well, never was this more apt.

 

I agree, I think CW Devastator is shit. I’m stating that is was designed with the additional caveat of being “masterpiece scaled”


Did he actually have laser vision in the cartoon? That’s badass.

 

Was he? Because...


And yes, that one time he did shoot a laser beam Cyclops style.
He also had tusks once.

 

3P does not dictate what a combiner MP scale/size is, TT does. Like it or not.


Having said that, I like what 3P has done as far as doing that, fake pants and all.

 

Well, that's the neat thing about opinions, yours can be wrong and you're still entitled to have it. As you say, like it or not.

But it is wrong. You know how I know that? Because Takara doesn't have the authority on what makes a figure a Masterpiece. Yes, they can create something and slap a Masterpiece label on it and, by law, only Hasbro and Takara should be able to use the Transformers brand. However, only the individual collector can determine what is a Masterpiece figure for them. Otherwise, there wouldn't be such a massive and competitive third party market for such figures.

And by the strictest of your own rules, Combiner Wars Devastator isn't a Masterpiece because he was made for, packaged and sold as a Combiner Wars figure. Therefore he can't be used a foundation for what a Masterpiece Devastator would be sized as because Combiner Wars Prime or even Siege Prime and Earthrise Prime are not the same size as Masterpiece Prime. So you're still wrong.

And that's not to pick a fight, it's just to point out there are at least two flaws in using Combiner Wars Devastator as a standard for an MP team.

But, yes, TW Devastator is an impressive figure and it had opened up a lot of room for some collectors in regard adding combiner teams to their collections.

 

“Takara doesn’t have authority on what makes a Masterpiece”


Wow.....

 

If they were the authority, there wouldn't be three Takara Masterpiece Optimus Primes. Two Starscreams, two Megatrons and people wanting new seekers, Grimlock and Ultra Magnus figures. Unless there is such as "definitive... but also under revision".

 

Mine was not an opinion man. It was a fact.

The MP line is owned by TT, no one else. A MP figure can very well be a unicorn if I want it to be, but doesn't make it so.

This comes from a guy that ACTUALLY LIKES what 3P has done in regards of that. I can only wish TT stays at that size. But at the end, a "combiner MP scale/size" is dictated by them, no one else.

By all means buy whatever you like and enjoy it, I'll be enjoying my unicorns too.

So, by that logic, Capcom is then somehow forbidden from Remaster Resident Evil titles just because they already have a V1? (the REmakes fucking ROCK!)

Not sure I understand that logic....

 

You have some interesting logic..... that is to say non-existent.

 

I can't tell what you are going for. Maybe you don't understand the history of the point I was making when you jumped into the conversation?
Because there was this:

Which prompted me to say, "not really, no".

And there was some nonsense of it being a caveat for "Masterpiece scaled". Which is why I opted for a "really?" And providing an example of what a better Masterpiece Devastator is. At best, Combiner Wars Devastator is a tease of what might've been in another universe. But it's no more "practically a Masterpiece" than a hamburger is practically a steak.

Then you jumped in saying only Takara could dictate what size a Masterpiece Combiner could be. And I said, "no, that's not true..." and cited third party and said that even then, a combiner wars figure isn't a Masterpiece figure by definition of its designated series and still can't be used to try and benchmark what a Masterpiece sized Devastator would be.

Yet still we agree that third party is perfectly okay by us because what Takara doesn't provide for our Masterpiece Collections, third party often does. And that goes back to my arguments that despite Takara having the legal right to use the words "Transformers" and "Masterpiece" together, they don't dictate to me [ and presumably your own or anyone's collecting] what my [our] preference is for a Masterpiece collection. And therefore are not the authorities for me or you on what "Masterpiece" really is.

And now we're here arguing for no reason about Masterpiece combiner sized figures because according to you they, a) are dictated by Takara regardless of what a collector may or not put in his own collection and b) don't exist in any actual format yet anyway so we really don't know if Takara's going to flub it or not.

I can tell because you used a terrible example as a counterpoint. Have they ever released a Masterpiece version of the game? Then six years later released a second version of the game also called a Masterpiece? I mean, reviewers might but has Capcom?

 

They created the Masterpiece line so, yes, they do have the authority.

Only if those individual collectors are Takara.

 

Hmm how unfortunately narrow minded for you.

 

That’s not narrow-mindedness that’s fact!