Untitled Fourth Star Wars Animated Series in the works

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  1. OptionZero

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    Sounds like a you problem, not a rebels problem. But we’ve been over that.
     
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    No, it's a Rebels problem. The show is terribly written, the characters are terribly written, it looks like shit, and the main character is quite possibly one of the worst Star Wars characters ever.

    Clone Wars had some real stinky eps in it, but that's almost all Rebels is. Tame, toothless, pointless excursions by a bunch of poorly conceived role fillers with ugly ass visuals.

    Again, just watch the video. Goes over just about everything wrong with the show in detail.

    EDIT: Or better yet, just watch "Twin Suns." The episode that finally sees Obi-wan and Maul's rivalry come to a climactic end, and it's mostly Ezra dicking around in the desert doing nothing. These two characters who have such a history, such a legacy, who've been through so much and yet the hatred Maul feels fuels him to track Obi-wan down to the literal ends of the galaxy, and they can't even have the episode just be about that. Gotta shove Ezra in there to do nothing at all so everything we want to see happens in just four minutes.

    Rebels had no focus, it had no identity. It was going through the motions, lifeless and inconsequential.
     
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    I've said it before, Rebels did more harm to the overall franchise than the Sequel Trilogy (as far as canon goes.) By the end of the show, Rebels can't even fix the problems that it, itself, created. It's not just a story that didn't need to be told, it's a story that didn't need to exist at all. And whoever at Disney approved time traveling stargates needs to be shot. And I'm not giving Clone Wars a free pass either. CW way over extended what it should have been allowed to do as well. I'm not saying I didn't enjoy a few episodes of Rebels, I did. But I enjoyed it like I enjoy a Star Wars comic book, in that, no fucking way should this be canon.
     
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    Okay, I’ll bite. How did the Clone Wars over extend itself?

    And way you said it makes it seem like you think only the movies should be canon.
     
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    As much as I love CW, there's so many episodes, and even a few full arcs, than an be cut out entirely to condense the whole show down to about five seasons of solid and consistent quality.
     
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    And that's considered a bad thing, why exactly?
     
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    Rebels had a somewhat slow burn first season that ended solid, but not absolutely great. Season 2 was the most consistent season despite some clunkers. Season 3 was a major slow burn about Thrawn slowly preparing for his strike on the rebels and that’s when I stopped watching every single week, but the good stuff was really good. Season 4, partially thanks to its quick burn off schedule, I didn’t get a chance to watch every week until Kanan died. From there though, it was really damn good and the finale was really fucking good.

    I can agree with the sentiment that it brings in stuff like Maul and Ben’s beef or Ahsoka and Vader and doesn’t really focus on them at all in the episodes that are supposed to deal with them. But the show isn’t about Ahsoka, Vader, Maul, or Kenobi. Only Maul gets development and I enjoyed watching him desperately trying to make some sort of last stand, only to sadly fail and die in his enemy’s arms. Vader was used sparingly and well. Ahsoka dropped the odd fortune cookie, but she was not interested in being the mentor and was mostly someone who could fend off Vader and the Inquisitors physically. Ben was a quick guest appearance, and I have to admit it’s odd that Ezra would keep his survival a secret (though that was classic Ben misdirecting Ezra just enough to protect Luke).

    I love these characters and I love the stories Rebels told. Ezra’s coming of age is compelling, as is Kanan’s and Sabine’s. The things it brought to the table, especially standout moments like Ahsoka Vs Vader (with Matt Lanter saying she will die as opposed to JEJ, Geez); the star cluster; the world between worlds; Sabine taking the Dark Saber. Kallus’s redemption is abrupt but he’s still an entertaining, interesting character. I like the Ralph McQuarrie inspired art style and some of the animation gets really pretty and vivid.

    And I love that the cast really does fulfill their destiny as part of the growing rebellion. That they start out so small but end up becoming big enough a threat on their own that Thrawn and Palpatine personally step in. All because of Ezra’s message of hope inspiring people. And that a small army of about 20-30 people tops were able to liberate a planet, largely due to the power that Ezra has with connecting with friends and living things. That his heart proves Thrawn’s cold calculations and Palpatine’s manipulations invalid and that he lets his parents go.

    Top tier Star Wars for me. In some ways it’s more consistent than TCW, but it’s not fair to compare them since Rebels is a single narrative story while TCW is a big anthology show.
     
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    But if you're going to bring them in, why not at least give them their own focus episodes? Both duels only needed one episode each to fully flesh them out.
     
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    The art direction in Rebels was really distracting.
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    What's wrong with your faaaaace?

    I get it was based on old concept art, but I don't get why it was based on old concept art. Doing that implies it's some kind of "elseworlds" thing, like the comic series 'The Star Wars' or the toys based on McQuarrie's art. But Rebels was explicitly supposed to be in canon with everything – Lucas' films, Clone Wars, Rogue One – it's literally the worst series to do that in.
     
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    Yeah I love Rebels but you won’t catch me defending the art designs of Yoda and some others. Some look okay to me, I like Maul and slightly younger Leia just fine.

    That’s fair. It didn’t help that marketing hyped the hell out of both fights even though both sets of characters were not the focus of the show. Once I watched the Rebels Recon of the Maul fight I actually really appreciated the poetry and tragedy of what they were going for. Vader and Ahsoka hit me on impact, though.
     
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  11. OptionZero

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    it seems like you turned your brain off and hated it from the start. I mean I disagree with literally everything you said. I’m not even gonna argue because you’re so closed minded.
     
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    Also ironically the premise of Rebels was the original premise of TCW. A crew of five new characters would mostly have their own adventures while only infrequently interacting with the film characters. Rebels got Rex, who I consider as important as any of the film characters, as a main cast member though.

    That’s a bit harsh. I don’t agree with him either as I love Rebels but he’s not close-minded.
     
  13. Tekkaman Blade

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    It had more to do with they were given less money per episode than when they were animating Clone wars.
     
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    How did that effect the character designs? Did Yoda having normal eyes go over budget?
     
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    a lot of S2's animation budget went into Vader's cape flowing. It wasn't like they had George personally funding their shows anymore.
     
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    I think at the time, there also had to be differences from the clone wars as for a bit Cartoon Network had partial rights or something of that nature, so they couldn't reuse the model from the clone wars.
     
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    Aside of the banalised art designs, which was kinda disappointing after TCW?

    All this whining about Rebelsis a reaction comparable to whining about the NuRID.

    -"Wheeereee is myyy Transformers Priiimeee sequeeeeel? WAAAAAHHHH!!!"

    -"Wheeereee is myyy Cloneee Waaaars sequeeeeel? WAAAAAHHHH!!!"

    Hush, don't cry anymore. Rebels weren't a sequel, just set in the same universe.


    It's not bad, but it's only average, reeks of Disney "must promote Sequels" mandate and, well... It's set in the sequels era.

    It never stood a chance.
     
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    My biggest problem with this is the title. Fourth animated Star Wars series? Fourth!?

    Shouldn't this be the sixth?





    Seventh, if you count the original Clone Wars show, which was presented as a series of shorts. Which would make it a series too.

    Which has the best Grievous in it.

     
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    Unfortunately, those don't count according to Disney.
     
  20. Haloid1177

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    Aight we gotta talk about Rebels for a minute people.

    Star Wars Rebels had 75 episodes.
    Clone Wars has 131 episodes.

    That alone tells a large story. Saying that Rebels is full of stinkers is entirely disingenuous past the first season, which ended on a high point with that finale and kept going the whole way. It introduced Thrawn, who was the consistent villain The Clone Wars needed and never kept, because it had to juggle all the fronts of the war instead of the war instead of just focusing on the Rebels. Kanan and Hera are legit probably the best love story we've seen out of the Star Wars mythos to this point put to screen. Ezra is annoying at the beginning of the show, 100% agree, but so was Ahsoka, who didn't become a real fan favorite until the tail end of season 3, and low key I feel wasn't fully embraced until the final arc of season 5, which is when everyone seemed to claim her as a favorite character. Ezra was fine by the end of the series in the same way, though I completely understand him being a step below Ahsoka. But it also helps we had Ahsoka for many more episodes than Ezra as well.

    Character designs, fine, sure, can't argue some of those choices and I won't. But Rebels legit turned into a really fun show and the last season barely resembled what it was at the beginning, the exact same way Clone Wars did. And as for Twin Suns, since it was specifically called out, the complaint about Ezra makes sense. It is a lot of focus on that character. And probably, with this Obi-Wan series coming up, there's a big regret in even having that in the show. But also, Obi-Wan should never have been focused on to begin with in the episode or the series at all. So him being in that episode for as little as possible makes sense in my head, because no one should even be seeing Obi-Wan at this point. And the duel itself? 10/10. But I get that complaint, and I feel the renewed pain for people after Maul during the final Clone Wars arc.

    But I dunno. I felt the same way with Rebels a lot of people did. I binged it when it finished and really enjoyed it, and honestly, I miss it a little more than Clone Wars at this point. I grew attached to those characters, it really did have a Lucas feel to it, similar to the OT, and it's one of those shows where I tell people it's worth a watch if you like Star Wars. So I'm hype for a possible sequel series, I'm hype to see more Thrawn, to maybe get some Heir of the Empire shit going if they save Ezra and accidentally bring Thrawn back.
     
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