I set those people to ignore. I come here to have fun, not argue and get insulted.

Yeah, I hated TF Animated. At first I posted quite a bit about how much I hated it. But before long I didn't care anymore. I just let animated fans enjoy themselves. No reason to go in their threads and bother them.

 

I am starting to reach that point myself, so some of the stuff that has gone on in this thread has just been insulting and rude. I don’t mind differing opinions from mine and I want it to have engaging discussion. Unfortunately, being looked down upon for what you like doesn’t make for good discussion.

And that’s the way to do it! I don’t go and bother people about series that they like and insult them for liking it. I just don’t understand why people feel the need to do that. I also am not really a fan of Animated but I am gonna give it a second chance and watch it all the way through sometime soon.

 

You may want to report the insults. I don't see them any more or else I would.

 

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I dream of a future where the three main fallacies of Bayverse fans' arguments are dispensed with...

1: G1 was more than just the cartoon. Limiting your scope to only cite certain criteria to "validate" your point is arguing in bad faith at best.

2: Murder is not a characterization. The shallow pools of nothing in the movies don't hold a candle to even what was shown in the Sunbow cartoon, let alone the rest of the media that constitutes G1. I can't see why anyone can claim that with a straight face.

3: "BUT WHATABOUT..." isn't an argument. Too many assumptions that if something shitty was done elsewhere, it is then beyond reproach in your favorite sector of the franchise. Ask yourself this: if they introduced tentacle porn or interspecies intercourse in the Bay films, would you try to say "Well, they did it in KissPlayers, and everyone was okay with it!"?

Oh, wait. Alice. Guess that ship already sailed.​

Basically at this point everything is perfect no matter what, right? Two counter arguments. Look up what was going to be Tim Burton's Superman starring Nicholas Cage. Next, pretty much anything Games Workshop has done for the last 15 years.

 

I wonder how long until she gets a Studio Series figure?

 

Sure the Bay movies had some good action but the series was doomed from the start. It was pretty obvious to me that Bay and Company had no interest in making a movie respectful to the franchise but rather use it as a vehicle to show off explosions, effects, gross humor. I'm not saying only a hard core fan should get involved in making one but at least keep the spirit of the franchise. I didn't feel that watching them. Typical Bay circus with robots thrown in the mix. I blame Beast Wars. That made it acceptable to change the very fabric of Transformers.

 

I think they sell one at Cirilla's...

 

You fool, do you not realize she's the secret build-a-figure? All you have to do is combine the twisty ties in EVERY SINGLE BOX! 4,000 pieces to collect!

The irony of this statement is that Beast Wars is technically G1.

 

It looks like a new site, called WE GOT THIS COVERED, is reporting that Michael Bay wants to return to Transformers, and direct Bumblebee 3:

Michael Bay Reportedly Wants To Return To Transformers, Could Direct Bumblebee 3

I doubt this very true, but I guess it proves that, either for better or for worse, Michael Bay will be associated with Transformers.

Because of that, and due to his 10 year run on the franchise, there are some people who will possibly find it difficult to move on, and find the new changes established from Bumblebee. And even though there's evidence to suggest otherwise, the Unicron ending will still be enough of a reason for some people to ask for a sequel to The Last Knight, although I doubt this will ever happen, especially due to how it was a box office bomb.

I welcome the new changes Bumblebee brought in, and I think that one way Hasbro and Paramount could make it more sucessful is for them to really emphersis the fact that it is a reboot, especially to the general consumer, who may not be as well-informed as we are.

And if there is one role that suits Michael Bay for the future of the Transformers film franchise, I'd think it should be as a producer, since it appears to have worked well for Bumblebee.

 

Does that mean she has a...

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Twisty Titty?

As said in other thread, that site is as reliable as Starscream on battlefield.

 

I really don't see Bay coming back to direct. To me it seems pretty clear that he's wanted out for a while. I think he wants to move onto other projects. And I don't think the studio is going to beg him to come back this time, considering his last movie didn't do particularly well. I think everyone is moving on.

 

Yeah, Bay's probably wanted to move on for quite a while - it's kind of draining when the past ten years of your life has been defined by one thing. However, I wouldn't mind him staying on as a producer, given he and Travis Knight had a good working relationship on Bumblebee. This is not conjecture; Knight and Hodson have been nothing but glowing in their praise of what Bay was like to work with, with Bay supporting them throughout and even shielding them from outside meddling from the studio. And he can just look at the script and say, "That's good" and do the stuff he wants to make.

Also, WeGotThisCovered is like a chocolate teapot, Starscream on the battlefield or my sister's old Fiesta - it's unreliable.​

Point to me an example of complex characterisation on a par with, say, Beast Wars, TF: Animated or the best cartoons today, in the Sunbow cartoon. I don't think there is any. The Sunbow cartoon had pretty shallow characters with a few distinguishing personality quirks involved in hokey and cartoony stories. Of course, these vague personalities defined a lot of these characters, which is good; however, future continuities have given them more depth.

Look at Transformers: Animated. It made Optimus Prime a military academy washout, commanding a repair crew; not the noble, powerful, wartime Autobot leader of most continuities. It was an interesting, unique take on the character - in fact, Animated Optimus is one of my favourite incarnations of Optimus.

It took Waspinator, one of the defining examples of Transformers comic relief characters ever, and made him a character who was falsely implicated of treason and imprisoned in the Autobot equivalent of Guantanamo Bay, causing him to slip into mental illness. Basically, a Transformer version of Moazzam Begg - however, without the mental illness.

 

Transformers Armada Megatron.

He visibly gets depressed after literally destroying Optimus Prime with a canon large enough to destroy celestial objects on the scale of cartonishly large meteors, because he values having a worthy opponent - without Prime, Megatron legitimately isn't enthusiastic about anything.

Until Prime comes back later on, at which point where any other Megatron would be blowing a fuse at Prime cheating death, Armada Megatron is like a kid at Christmas.

Oh, and at the very end of the series, when it's revealed Optimus (who has cast aside the title of Prime) is just as thirsty for battle as Megatron (who has since become Galvatron but as this is merely just him with a new color scheme it's the same character), this rivalry is so strong that it single handedly is enough to keep Unicron fed. So Galvy sacrifices himself and declares Prime as the victor, not for the glory but because Galvatron simply wanted somebody to win the war even if it wasn't him.

Name any other Megatron that would do that.

EDIT: oh, didn't catch the Sunbow cartoon restriction. Whoops.

 

Is it this episode?

I love how Optimus and Megs are using their kibble to their advantage (Optimus throwing his uhh... inner tire? And Megs using the tank thread to grind Optimus's hand)

 

This literally reminds me of Megamind.

 

Yeah, Mortal Combat - the final episode of Armada. It's essentially just 20 minutes of Optimus and Galvatron beating the absolute crap out of each other, right up to and including literally throwing their body parts at each other AND using the kibble. Heck, Galvy even gets a good stab using the hidden shiv that his toy has and, I think, never used in the show up to that point.

 

Omfg what is it with WeGotThisCovered making up all these b.s rumors lately? The weeks not even over and they've already made like 3 b.s articles.

 

First off: thanks for YET AGAIN ignoring that anything other than the Sunbow cartoon counts as G1, since doing so is apparently the crux of your argument. However, I'm not one to shy away from the challenge...

Let's start with the "complexity" of BW characterizations and how quickly they can match to a Sunbow characterization or two.

Primal - duty bound. literally the ONLY part of his characterization. What is there past that? Nothing. Barely anything comes out as sagelike as OP, with the whole self sacrificing schtick being the only other comparison. So we'll say he's more like Ultra Magnus.
Dinobot - honor driven martial warrior. This is about the only real characterization you got. It's also the hardest to 1 for 1 match up with a Sunbow characterization. I'm at a loss for now, may revisit it once I have a little more time here at work.
Rattrap - Pessimist insubordinate whiner, deep hatred of the enemy. Gears and Huffer right off the bat.
Cheetor - Impulsive and ready to fight. Seriously? This is half the G1 cast, honestly, but we'll go with Sideswipe, Cliffjumper, and Warpath immediately.
Rhinox - This guy's essentially Rachet with the added bonus of being apparently 2 steps away from going evil at any time.
Tigatron - zen master in touch with nature. At first I'd say Beachcomber, but Hound seems a better fit.
Silverbolt - noble. Possibly the most shallow character in a series that contains Inferno.
Airazor - soldier. My favorite character of the bunch mainly because she didn't need some bizarre theme that got flanderized the longer the series went on. She's more like Windcharger or Brawn insofar as they're your average soldier, which is more of what reality is like with a military force.
Depth Charge - VENGEANCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thankfully there's no Sunbow analogy as it'd be pretty goddamned dull.

Megatron - vaudeville bad guy. He's fairly evenly portrayed with Sunbow Megs, honestly. The main difference is success rate, which comes down more towards a reluctance at the time to show bad guys winning.
Tarantulus - cackling mad scientist. Is this even characterization? It's more like a trope. Not a specific analog in Sunbow, but there are more than a few trope built characters.
Scorponok - dumb and loyal. That's a 3rd of the Sunbow Decepticons right there.
Terrorsaur - evil and treacherous. There's another 3rd of the Sunbow Decepticons, but more Starscream without science competency.
Waspinator - hapless comedy relief. The 'Cons all take turn in this role, honestly.
Quickstrike - evil and I LURVS IT!!!!! YEEEHAW!!!!!!!!! So that is the last 3rd of the Decepticon army.
Rampage - not just evil, eviler-er. There may be a Sunbow equivalent, but at this point I'm worn out on the experience.

Now contrast Sunbow Silverbolt. Acrophobic and insecure, yet driven to prove himself. Out of all the Aerialbots, he's the one who "gets" the conflict and the reasoning to it pretty much immediately. Naïve without being a pushover, and commanding while still vulnerable enough to lose his cool. And that's just one character who shows up less than 5% of all the episodes.

When you get down to it, I'm failing to see this vaunted depth that's so much better than everything else. BW is no better or worse than any other series we've had. Saying different is DEFINITELY wearing the rose colored nostalgia goggles.

Neat, they're your favorites.


I'm still wondering how this has anything to do with the absolute shitshow that was Bay's characterization. More whataboutism at best.

 

I don't get all the love for BW either. Never have. It left about the same impression to me as the original G1 cartoon; no better, no worse. (Maybe a little worse, as I personally feel CGI is less appealing on the eyes than old-school hand-drawn animation.)