You cant go mixing all the different continuities and say they all use the same scale especially without something definitive.

I have already agreed that Japanese continuity Fortress Maximus is BIGGER than Japanese continuity Metroplex.

The area of contention now is that you say it all uses the same scale for all the characters as the US cartoon but do you know where both shows were developed and animated? Which studio did both? They are effectively 2 completely different shows by different studios, different countries, different continuity.

If you want to say as a matter of explicit fact that the US and JP versions use the same scale than the burden of proof is on you to prove it, I posted up all of the scales I could find with both Metroplex and Fortress Maximus on it but if that's unacceptable so be it.

If you are merely stating your personal opinion than so be it.

I personally have zero opinions here, I go by facts, if there are no facts than we dont know.

I do not know if they used the same scale for Metroplex and FM in the JP trilogy as in the US. WFC goes by the animation depiction, if it was never in the animation than they do what's best for them for example impactor who's a comic character, in the comics hes a Voyager, same size or bigger than Springer but the toy was Deluxe.

Some characters who have a scale chart but were displayed differently in the animation such as Sky Lynx, they use the animation chiefly over the scale chart if they massively conflict.

Point: they are never seen together in the US 1984 series so it doesn't really matter, as long as they are big is typically good enough.

 

Until there is conflicting information, there's no reason to disregard official information because "muh different continuity".

Metroplex is 164 feet, Fort Max is 492 feet. Anyone believing otherwise has come to that conclusion inside their own head with nothing to support it.

 

I'm more at a loss that a fortress is larger than a city, but that's just me.

 

There are places in the world where cities are within a Fortress.

 

Sure, but not all. I'll give 'em credit for going big. TT loves grand scale.

 

None of them are actual cities, not really. And the term "city" is highly vague to start with. They're "cities" in the same way the Enterprise, a Star Destroyer, the Nostromo are. Or real world examples: Nimitz-Class aircraft carriers, or the Queen Mary II cruise ship. Those are often referred to as "floating cities" based on the sheer amount of people and amenities needed for them to *live* onboard.
Plus, a city can also be a fortress. A fortress can be a city. Early human cities being built like a defensive fortress wasn't unusual.

IDW might be the only thing to present Metroplex (and similar looking Titans) as being large enough to be be proper cities and not just large ships. Does Trypticon even have a base mode? He's shown in the beast mode and some very vague flight mode.

And for all the people that are hung up on Fortress Maximus being a "fortress" because of his name...you should know that Metroplex and Omega Supreme were both almost named Fortress Maximus at one point. Hasbro just really, really wanted to use that name on some big bot that turned into some sort of base.

All four city bots are, at best, a small collection of interconnected buildings and structures. Metroplex looks like a few garages with what appear to be three miniaturized office towers. Tryp is similar; structures that of wildly different scales. Scorponok's base mode has always been a couple towers and some ramps. Fort Max pulls of the base mode concept the best but even then, it's just that: a base/mobile battle platform.
Imagination only goes so far.

Headmasters Scorp and Fort Max are not Rebirth Scorp and FM. One can not be used in comparison with the other. Every thing about them is different.

American animation for Season 3 and Rebirth was so atrocious that it's at best a very broad idea of scale. The limited appearances of FM and Scorp don't offer much by way of scale to get any kind of accurate idea of their size. They don't appear to be much different from Metroplex and Trypticon. And speaking of them, their size was highly inconsistent as well. Tryp's been shown to be as big as the MOUNTAIN the ark crashed into. If we assume they really are that big (and for them to actually house cybertronians in those skyscraper-like towers where we can SEE the actual windows, they would have to be) then that's drastically off from the Holy Scale Chart.

Across the different continuities all four of them have had wildly inconsistent sizes. That's not even counting Marvel & IDW making scorp and FM normal size bots.

There is also a major human psychological issue at play with them: Humungus scale. The human brain is not really capable of dealing with things above or below certain size thresholds. That's why we have trouble grasping the distances between Mars and Earth and the Moon etc.
Artists across all mediums and continuities generally depict the city bots much smaller than they would logically be. But you truly show Metroplex as large as he should be then a a normal bot like Optimus would barely even be an ant by comparison.

I think people get confused with the Fortress Maximus TOY being the largest transformer TOY ever and assume that means he's the largest Transformer ever in various fiction. Headmasters is so awful to slog through I can't say how much bigger than Metroplex he and Scorponok are depicted, assuming there's any consistency.

 

You are just throwing around numbers, where are your references? And what continuity are you strictly referring to? You cant take offical numbers and attribute them to any continuity you please in order to support your claim.

The references I used were those scales i found by Googling "Transformers Japanese Trilogy character scale", you apparantly dont accept that but that's fine.

You are the one making the claim so the burden of proof is on you.

To clarify: is Japanese Trilogy Fort Max bigger than Japanese Trilogy Metroplex? Yes, no doubt, reference Transformers Headmasters episode 35

Now is the G1 US 1984 cartoon continuity Fort Max bigger than the G1 US 1984 cartoon continuity Metroplex? I personally do NOT know, they are never depicted together.

I agree with @Fretburn the rebirth characters are NOT the Headmasters characters so to assume it's all the same scale is not logical.

Also you cant use comic book numbers and scales to justify your claim, it has to be refering explicitly to the animation continuity.
The comics use completely different numbers, heights and scales.

If there is an official source that states G1 1984 cartoon continuity FM to be bigger, I'll gladly accept that


Based upon what is above, All of the city bots are more or less around the same size.

Admittedly on screen character sizes fluctuate sure
But the Japanese scale of Fortress Maximus that was shown with Metroplex obviously does NOT match how Fortesss Maximus was depicted in the Rebirth.

I just shared multiple pieces of evidence all of which are offical, the scale with Metroplex and Trpticon and the screenshot from the rebirth.

That should definitely prove or at very least STRONGLY suggest that the Japanese and US depictions are DIFFERENT

 

It's also important to note that going off the seemingly-pulled-out-their-ass-numbers that Budienski and other people have used over the years. They just used big numbers on the packaging of a kids toys because they sounded impressive. They didn;t put much thought into how much sense they made because, again, KIDS TOY.

So anything that definitively states their height is kind of meaningless based on that alone. But considered they're shown at wildly different sizes within any single piece of fiction, never mind across the many different continuities, those numbers were throw out from Day 1.

 

I'm using official numbers released from Takara and used on the wiki. Not throwing anything around, just using facts. And again, the continuity is irrelevant. There's no reason to believe that the Japanese show would suddenly throw out the established scale from the cartoon they've been using to start a new one in Headmasters, that's ridiculous.

There's no reason to believe the Japanese show's scale is any different. There's no evidence to suggest the information they put forward would be incompatible with the US show, as they're using the same universe and characters (albeit with different origins). And if you want official US sources, I already posted them. Metroplex is only a part of Autobot city and I posted a picture showing it. Fortress Maximus was built from an entire city. Despite not being show on screen together, in the very least it can be confirmed that Metroplex is not city sized. Funny how you ignored that point and decided to assume I was talking about comics scale or something to try to distract me.

 

Scorponok is great! He's tall like Fortress?

He's the video review

 

Fort max is a remold of metroplex. Using metroplex as the comparison is good enough for anyone to get an idea of how they look together.
Scorp is slightly shorter but not by any great margin. He’ll be great with FM

 

I cant seem to find any....

But are there any photos of Earthrise Megatron from the side or rear? (In tank mode)

 

So you are ignoring that your own image is inconsistent with the US scales posted?

I did not mention the whole made from a city, made from something else thing because its irrelevant, that's their alt mode, we are talking about robot mode, Sky Lynx alt mode is larger than most other characters but his "robot mode" is not anywhere near that size. I'll post the images again for you to look at with your own eyes.

First, your Japanese Magazine scan
Now the US scale chart scan
Next the chart found via "official Japanese scale chart Google"

And here a screenshot from the rebirth with Fortress Maximus which is clearly contradictory to your Japanese Magazine depiction

1. The image that you are using is for the Japanese continuity
2.

2 fallacies here, 1. You are using by your own words, Takara IE Japanese numbers from a wiki to determine a US G1 cartoon scale relationship,

2. You then state that continuity is irrelevant.

Then you say it's the same universe, you contradict yourself in your own post, you've done this a few times.

I'm not upset, I'm not trying to say I'm right and you are wrong. Barney style: you keep saying that it's all the same thing when it's clearly not, in the Japanese continuity Cybertron is blown up, that never happened in US continuity per Beast Machines which explicitly states that this is the same Cybertron as in G1.

You dont have to accept facts but dont go telling people that your opinions and mish mash way of thinking is factual.

Just say it's your own opinion.

The facts: the JP and US continuity are DIFFERENT, their scales are different based on the scales above which everyone can see.

Japanese FM is BIGGER than Japanese Metroplex.

US FM may be slightly bigger than US Metroplex but no to the degree of JP

 

Here’s the side at least:

 

Oh wow, I DID see that photo when I searched for it, but I thought it was a custom.

That looks pretty damn good.

 

This made me preorder. Scorponok was the only titan I owned as a kid

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I think Hasbro considers fort max and metro to be about the same size, in that Machinima series metro fights trypicton and then trypticon later fights Fortress maximus ..

 

And Hasbro made the toys and makes the rules, so I think it's fine.

 

starting at 1:28, we see Fortress Maximus and Metroplex in base modes basically side by side. Personally I think they look about the same size, but hey look at it and -----make of it what you will.

 

If you care about what Hasbro and Takara has to say about the issue, there is.

Official sizes and heights - Transformers Wiki