Well, he didn't include it in his KO channel, that's on me, but it does look like it's been remolded from the original, just line their MP OP fig, at least to me.

I hope it's a good price, though.

 

i believe KuBianBao and Yes Model did their versions of the coneheads, as well as the original 3 seekers.

if you mean 1:1 KO versions which come in boxes identical to Takara's, then no - only Starscream, Thundercracker, & Skywarp were directly KO'd like this (and i can't recommend them at all, due to being so terrible in quality!)...

in all honesty though, the MP-11 mold (& variants) kinda sux - it's about time they make a new & improved v2 MP seeker mold!  

 

That's a good list, but I'm not sure if any of those actually change the design of MP Grimlock's chest so it doesn't flop.

I love my MP Grimlock. The floppy chest is a bit weird. 99% of the time, it's not a problem, but it comes unhooked if you hold the figure upside down. Do any of the KO versions change that?

zmog

 

We need downsized KO of potp Predaking and siege Omega Supreme.

 

I agree with you on Predaking.

 

I’m all for an undersized Omega so long as they also release him in Spreem colors.

 

I'm just saying so that people could let me know if there is one...


Rendsora beat the official version to market anyway, so I just wanted to toss out a "I'm interested" in case I hadn't heard of a rendsora style spockimus.

 

So after a little over a month of me quarantining my package from china, I finally decided to open my 3rd party MP seeker set. I really love the way these guys look and all but they are total garbage in my opinion plastics wise!! The fingers on all 3 of the Seekers keep falling off for no reason and the entire figure feels super cheap and flimsy like I will break them if I even sneezed in the same room as them.   I am still super new at the entire 3rd party MP figure collecting and only have about 8 or 9 3rd party MP figures so far. What I want to know is are all the 3rd Party MP figures gonna be like this or is it just this particular set thats known for this issue of being crappy? Wondering if I should go ahead and open the rest of the figures or send them back or sell them off or what??
Also on a side note I purchased my first Siege figure "Mirage" while I was out at a local Wal-greens and wow I really like him and feel like he's built like a tank quality wise, just wish he was a bit bigger. Any chance there is a plan of O/S'ing these guys or even the new Earthrise line?
I dont know what to collect now to be honest.. I have bought cheap figures like Wei-Jiang's Predaking and Aoyi Mech Abominus which are around $10-$15 bucks and have better build quality then $100 dollar 3rd party MP figures. What would you guys do?

 

Yeah, it's possible a couple pieces like the head could be ko, but most of this is 100% original.

 

or Sentinel colors!

 

Just to make things more clear. Here's how it goes.

1st party is the company that owns the thing being sold.
2nd party is the consumer.
3rd party is when a separate company sells something based on the 1st party's thing. It doesn't matter if they've purchased a license to do this or not. Whether they're officially licensed, or unofficial, they're the 3rd party.

KOs do not belong in this category. Even fancy upgraded ones can't be considered 3rd party.

 

Only confused where your KO definition falls?

Unless a ko is a ko is a ko, then I agree... like a ko of classics optimus, a straight 1:1 whether better or worse quality is a KO... But the jj01 optimus is 3rd party, even though it is an improved, upscaled classics optimus?

Technically, that makes all ko products of 3rd party stuff, still just a ko, right?

 

By that definition, KOs are a third party thing. They are based on first-party products, but made by someone who isn't the first party. They just happen to be putting less effort into original product development.

Strictly speaking, a third party is anyone outside the first and second parties, i.e. HasTak and consumers. Knockoffs of third-party stuff are still third-party in two senses. First, they're a further degree removed from the original first party, but they are still unmistakably based on first-party product. Second, they're a third party to the third parties.

 

Kinda where I'm hitting the ball... its a ko of a 3rd party.

There is no such thing as 4th party.

It's like asking gardeners to garden your garden like your original gardeners... a ko, whether better or worse.

 

what exactly did you buy?

 

This debate between "KO" and 3P is old. In fact, I've hadn't this chat with a (quite irate) Chefatron, at his YouTube video, about the recent OSKO Ayoi Mech BB OP.

Generally speaking, in Transfans vernacular:

- "Official" (Hasbro or Takara Tomy")
- "Officially licensed (third party)" (merchandise, non-transforming figures, etc)
- "Third party/3p" (unofficial figures, created using unique designs/molds/transformations/engineering).
- "Knock-off/KO" (copies of an original figure, but usually created, using the materials owned by the KO company, sometimes with additional parts, improvements or with different colours or sizes to the original).
- "4th party" (Either "factory rejects", or regular versions of original tits,p acquired illicitly from the original factories, and sold on, usually at a discount OR knock-off versions, extensively re-engineered to the point that they could be considered "new" products, and akin to a 3P product.

However, legally, there are different distinctions:

1st party (as above)
2nd party (the consumer)
3rd party (an officially licensed product, made by a company of the same destination)
Knock-off (A legally-accepted "imitation" of another product/IP/etc, such as store-branded products, or clothes based upon catwalk designs in discount clothes shops, but which are not attempting to fill the customer into thinking they are the "real" thing. These don't usually contain the "core IP" of the products they imitate, such as logos, etc).
Counterfeit (exact copies of products, including the logos and other IP-infringing features, and which are designed to fool customers that they are the real thing).
IP infringing products (Either KO or counterfeit products that have been challenged, usually in court, as infringing on the original IP owner's property).

It's possible that even "legit" companies have been "guilty" of IP infringement, such as the numerous tech companies, like Apple, Samsung, Microsoft, etc. Also, most of us were KO clothing and use KO supermarket products too.

 

4th party doesn't tell us anything useful and needs to get lost as an "accepted" term. Factory Reject / Lunchtime Special at least gives us an idea of provenance and probable lack of QC.

 

K/O's of MP-11, MP-11S, MP-11T, MP-17, MP-20, MP-27, MP-30, MP-33, MP-35, MP-36/IT-01,and pre-ordered "MP-44 which I will get when released".
So far I only opened the seekers though and am not sure if I should keep them or sell them along with the other figures I havent opened yet and try collecting main line or just cheapo O/S K/O's?
I know one thing and that is I am not happy with the quality of those 3 seekers for sure!!

 

Are we back to discussing 4th party here?  

 

Not really. Actually, Aaron Archer connotations
referred to the latest 3P Galaxy Force Optimus as a "KO", which is debatable (depending on a fandom/legal POV), and there was a YouTuber who, conversely, referred to a KO TF as a "3P" product.

Interesting times...