ZetaToys Beastking (Masterpiece Predacons/Predaking)

Discussion in 'Transformers 3rd Party Discussion' started by Renz, Feb 4, 2019.

  1. Quintessential Prime

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    FT will continue to do them that way. I have little doubt about that. There is no way they will get all the combiners to scale without additional pieces - it's just not going to happen. Not at the expense of upscaling the individual figures massively, which they won't want to do. Zeta should stick to the tried and tested method.
     
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    FT have you covered.
     
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    am I going crazy or do you have the arms and legs reversed on both the Predaking and the Devy where the ones should be on the left are on the right and vice versa?
     
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    I used the Zeta image from the 1st page and flipped the Devy one to match the pose.
     
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    Except TW (or Cang toys) is doing pantsforming, they are just making a 6th member turn into the pants....
     
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    That doesn't count since it is a new member which I suppose will have his own alt mode and robot mode. It's a non canon added. member, but a member after all!
     
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    Either way Zeta bot modes on the previous combiners look bad to me and I only use them for combined mode. Sacrificing Razorclaw’s bot mode for less parts forming isn’t what I prefer, but he will never be in bot mode anyways. Just like DX9 sacrificing MM’s trailer alt mode for less parts forming, it will never be in alt mode. Too bad how the figure looks in bot/alt modes take less priority than a less parts forming gimmick.
     
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    I like to have two representations in my collection anyway. 1 bot, 1 combined. I actually think TW/Zeta Constructicons look very good in both bot and alt mode. I can't say the same for the Zeta Combaticons though (with the exception of Onslaught, who I think looks great). The aerial bots aren't that bad either actually - in fact they're pretty good in my opinion - but they don't come close to what FT are doing apart from Maverick and Silverarrow who aren't far apart, for me.

    My preference is to have Zeta for combiners and other 3rd offerings as individual bots simply because there are better options ie. FT Goose over Zeta Downthrust. UT Ghaz'ranka over Zeta Racket, MMC Impetus over Zeta Whilrwind etc... TW/Zeta have the market on the Constructicons in both modes for me so I have two sets.

    Inevitably I'll end up with 2 Predaking sets; Zeta Beastking for combined mode - but my preference would be for them to keep the parts-forming element - and FT for the individual bots.

    I don't think DX9 really "sacrificed" the trailer for less parts-forming (I realise it's longer than both the XTB one and Roadking's), rather it was a bad design choice to have the front end of the trailer as part of the actual bot, seeing as both other offerings managed to do something better with it. Menasor is a good point in question though and makes use of the trailer as the exo-skeleton for the combiner, which to me doesn't really qualify as parts-forming either as they're simply utilising a component of the actual bot (Motormaster) for the overall purpose.

    The parts-forming piece isn't really a "gimmick" either (a trick or device intended to attract attention, publicity, or trade) as such, and the term comes with a negative connotation. It's a design choice for the overall aesthetic of the finished piece, which I prefer.

    But the reason I got the Zeta/TW combiners to start with was because of the parts-forming element - not in spite of it - it's what makes them so good - and if FT have followed suit with Superion then that speaks volumes because they are arguably the best 3rd in the business, so taking this particular leaf out of Zeta's book is a nod in their direction.

    I get what MMC are doing and respect that but it's not for me and I think Zeta would be making a big mistake to cave into what the "competitor" is up to.

    I would like the choice to be honest. The choice to display in either of the three intended modes. The Razorclaw bot looks good to me and I wouldn't mind displaying him in bot mode to be honest... just not when he's that much bigger than Blitzkreig (it doesn't make sense) - and that takes the choice away from me by basically saying this is designed really for one purpose and one purpose only; combined mode.

    It's a bad move to sacrifice the scale of the individual bots also because there will be others in my boat who would buy more than one set i.e. TW Constructor. 1 for bot and 1 for combined. Instead of me buying 2 of these, I'm already considering buying something that doesn't even exist yet because I don't like the idea of them changing the design concept that has worked so well to this point.

    Maybe it is a part after all and what I'm saying is a waste of time - maybe they've gone for the "all-in-one" idea and make it work as well as their previous. I just can not see how they will do that without such a massive sacrifice on the scale of the 5 bots... it's baffling. Look how big the KO OS MMC Razorclaw is... it's crazy and even the OS Rex doesn't match the scale of these guys, or the stability, or the aesthetic.

    Anyway... I'd like to see some information from them soon. They have either made some money from the sale of the Unicorn mold to Studio 1, or they are Studio 1 and will be using the money for the sales of this to buy into the production of their Predaking.
     
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    Can anyone link me to the statement from Zeta where they say they aren't doing pants-forming anymore?
     
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    I was the one to bring it up. It was 2 years(?) ago or so. On weibo I believe. They showed a devastator statue/cake topper looking thing and someone asked them if it was in the works and zeta said yes. When asked if it would be pantsforming they said no. Is that a reference for all future combiners? Dunno. And it was so long ago I doubt I could find it but I give u my word I saw and read that

     
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    Well that's great but I've seen it repeated in a dozen threads over the last few weeks and nobody has a source, they just point to that concept art for their Predaking as proof.
     
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    Imo it does look like a feral rex version with the shins as thighs and a crotch plate add-on

     
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    The front of the crotch on the combiner looks like the back of Razorclaw if his legs rotate at the thigh joint - not even an add-on.

    These images are confusing me because it does look like an all-in-one - my eyes just don't want to believe it. I so want this to remain true to the previous designs.

    I guess they'll sell it as a set after all 5 have been issued separately anyway so I won't be going in on these until I see for sure how big the main bots are.
     
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    Looked again you're right

     
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    Yes it is true, I remember the weibo post. But I believe it was a post about Beastking.

    What!? Hell no lol! Right now I would say Unique Toys.

    You are right!
     
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    Eh..... their sculpt needs work. Tho I also don’t agree with the person you were responding to because FT isn’t making that high of quality stuff anymore. Honestly best looking company atm is either TE, at least from their line up so far. Or Gigapower, who made insanely good Dinobots (which unfortunately are the only figures they planned on making).
     
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    hahaha - that's why I made sure to write the word "arguably" in there.

    But that crotch plate looks the same as the reverse-side of the main bot for sure.
     
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    Unique Toys Swindle / Ghazraka is one of my favourite figures. It is the only UT figure I own though.
     
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    If you like Bayformers, check out their movie line, they are amazing.
     
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    My opinion on the Bayverse is best kept to myself I think. I will likely offend people if I speak my mind on the matter here. Please never mention it to me again. Thank you :D 
     
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