Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker

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  1. Insurgent

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    This sounds good. I can see both guys in ROS being clones if this is the backstory they wanted. And he appears blind and burnt because the clone body is destabilising a little after 30 odd years and sucking the life out of Rey and Kylo via the Force Dyasis restores the clone to it's proper undegraded state because of Force Healing.

    I can't remember the exact phrasing, but he says he wants Rey to strike him down in anger so his spirit can enter her and they will become the new One Sith. It's unclear if palpatine will have full control, or if Rey will just turn to the dark side, or a blending of two personalities though. I think this is why he didn't posses her when she did kill him by deflecting his lightning. Because she didn't strike him down in anger, so his plan wouldn't fullfill. That's why he was taunting her when he fried the Rebel fleet, to provoke her into killing him in anger. Or he was fully restored at that point and just wanted to torment her because he's evil.

    No, but when asked how he came back from the dead, he simply says "I've been dead before. The Dark Side is a path to abilities many would consider unnatural." Which implies the dark side has something connected to his return. Cloning is nothing to do with the dark side, so if he did return via cloning, either he's being vague for the hell of it and doesn't want to admit he's a clone, or there's something else involved with it. Although if it's his original spirit that survived ROTJ and used dark side abilities to possess his clone, that would cover it and maintain the clone thing.
     
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    Rogue One.

    I also thought Solo was actually a pretty okay movie if you ignore that one dumb scene about Lando crying over L3-37 like his girlfriend just died.
     
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    I was going to say the “Solo” naming thing was absolutely fucking awful and stupid. Hate it on a visceral level.
     
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    I’m 80-90% sure L3 WAS his girlfriend.
     
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    L3 WAS his girlfriend I met George Lucas at a bar and he told me. Plus my dad works for Star Wars.
     
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    So you hate the fact Han Solo got his last name from some Imperial recruiter who probably had a quota to meet and just made shit up on the spot to get a +1 to his daily count?

    But you don't hate the fact one of the most important aspects to why another major character is even relevant to another major character is still up in limbo? Keep in mind that until that damn book came out and spelled out Palpatine was Rey's father by way of "bad clone" whatever that means, the idea that she was his granddaughter as established in the film was probably one of the few things people weren't questioning since there wasn't anything to really disprove he hadn't had a kid.

    Disney basically introduced canon conflict over something that wasn't even conflicted in the first place in their own material simply because they can't get these people to work together. The whole 'Solo naming' thing, while underwhelming, isn't that big a deal and really, you could just imagine that Han himself calls himself Solo since as of that point, he's on his own - same exact rationale the Imperial dude uses, same exact scene, same result.
     
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    I don’t see the conflict. Rey is Palpatine’s granddaughter end of story. Palpatine’s clone/son is irrelevant, he is an unimportant character. All that matters is he didn’t want Rey discovered and sacrificed his life to protect her. He is as important as Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru in other words not much. All that matters is they were good people, end of story, means to an end. We know Jango raised a clone as his “son” apparently so did Palpatine. Woop-dee-doo.

    Having Solo’s name come from an Imperial Officer and the stupid story behind the Kessel Run and where Han got his gun is the kind of nonsensical bullshit that actually does mire down SW. It steps on the mystery of the character and fills in blanks that don’t need to be filled, leave something to the imagination. The incessant need to fill in every single nook and cranny of the SW universe is exhausting. I don’t care about the urinal in Mos Eisley Cantina. And I don’t want to know how Han Solo got his gun.
     
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    Uncle Owen didn't turn out to actually be A) still alive, and B) the main villain.

    And Palpatine hated his "son" based on the snippet I've seen. Considered him an absolute failure that was only good for continuing his bloodline.

    ...you're talking about a franchise that went above and beyond in creating a third Death Star in the canon (granted it was a decoy and not an actual, functional planet-blowing-up one) for the sole purpose of justifying Star Tours getting to send guests through the famous trench run sequence when chronologically, both actual Death Stars had been destroyed.

    Filling in every nook and cranny was something the franchise took pride in - not to mention this whole "Rey's Parents" thing is exactly the kind of bullshit you're describing you don't like because there was absolutely no need to do it following Kylo talking about how Rey's parents were worthless druggies in TLJ. Except then Disney did fill in that gap by establishing her father anyway.
     
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    Yeah....from that response I can tell you don’t have a clue what I’m talking about.

    Palpatine’s “son” isn’t A) Alive or B) The main villain

    And Star Tours isn’t a backstory movie filling in every pointless detail in a previous movie. Nor is it a movie.
     
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    Remind me what Palpatine's entire plan was in RoS again?
     
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    Your whole argument fell apart. You got nothing and you’re just zigging and zagging.
     
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    Can you just answer the damn question? Because I think it had something to do with Palpatine trying to possess his own bloodline or whatever?
     
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    Palpatine’s plan was to seek revenge against the Skywalkers and the Galaxy at large for rejecting him. He turned the Skywalker heir to the dark side, shattered the family and destroyed the New Republic with the First Order.

    Do you mean what was he trying to do with Rey. Cause that’s about him trying to take a new body not his “plan.” Presumably he is “All the Sith” and whoever he takes over is connected to all the prior Sith spirits.
     
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    At which point, why did Rey need to be his granddaughter? Was there legitimately any point to her being related to him?
     
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    article 2 paragraph 6 of the fanfic law states that every mary sue must be universally loved and/or desired by the entire cast, must be the best at everything even over characters with more experience or skill in the shortest amount of time, must possess famous fiction related gear,weapons,artifacts or vehicles, and must be either related to or falls in love with a major character.
     
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    Wrong.
    The major character falls in love with her.
     
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    Which Kylo did? I'm not clear on that relationship. And Finn just spent pretty much his entire time asking where Rey is, or just shouting Rey. I hate the term Mary Sue, and I was finding ways to not call her that in TFA, but yeah, these last two films pretty much make it unable to not call her one.
     
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    This is my point. You have no argument. It’s just random strung together comments.

    A) You have a problem with Palpatine having a clone / son. Unfortunately for you so does Jango Fett

    B). You tell me Jacen Solo was an irredeemable bastard. In bold type. Unfortunately for you Jacen turns back to the light at the end of his story.

    C) You ask me what Palpatine’s plan “is” I tell you cause it’s so fucking basic.

    And now you’re on to “why did Rey need to be Palpatine’s granddaughter.” Answer: Cause it gives her a place in the story. And it mirrors the OT. And it turns Palpatine’s plan exactly back on himself. He corrupts Ben. Luke, Han and Leia turn Rey his own blood against him. Same story.

    How many more questions you got for me? I told you at least 48 hours ago you are welcome to not like the story. I 100% get that. But your argument is a mess.
     
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