Yeah, Skywarp is kinda like Okuyasu from Diamond is Unbreakable in that regard: his powers would be incredibly useful in the hands of someone smarter.

 

I honestly think Starscream could beat Megatron, if he got over his arrogance and had the courage to finally stand up for himself.

It would be akin to David and Goliath. Starscream can use his skill and speed rather than brute force, and literally kick the bucket helmet off Megatron’s head and deliver a lethal blow of nullray right into Megatron’s skull.

 

G1 Japanese continuity Metrotitan.

 

When you look at his tech specs, it really does seem like Starscream might be able to pull it off under the right circumstances. That being said, he would be much more successful if he focused on manipulating his way into power rather than attempting a direct physical overthrow.

 

Rodimus Cron,megatronus,megatron x, galvatron,overlord,six shot,black shadow etc

 

Those would be good contenders even Predaking

 

That is such a perfect comparison.

 

I think beast wars rampage could have if he didn't get his spark stolen be megatron...though that is a predicon not a decepticon

 

Galvatron, Sixshot, Thunderwing? Well maybe. Most combiners stand a good chance. Trypticon and Scoponok definitely.
Overlord.

 

i wouldnt call Megatron vs Tarn a fight Megatron never fought back and Tarn totalled Megatron. at least the first time the second time around Megatron completely obliterated the DJD using his black hole antimatter tap.

 

Megatron was in a weakened condition that made him vulnerable to short circuiting to the water he unwittingly released during his fight with Shockwave. He even survived a fully powered blast from Shockwave in this weakened condition after short circuiting. if Megatron was fully powered Shockwave would of lost that fight

 

Deathsaurus, in a heartbeat.

 

How did Megatron get in that "weakened condition"?(was it a blast from a big purple gun?) Pretty sure when you add up the tech specs for Megs and Shockwave respectively(disregarding rank)they are dead even.

Anyway Megatron took orders from Shockwave for a good bit after that when he was healed up, at least not visibly physically damaged. Shockwave has beaten Megatron and can beat him.

 

A cheat answer, but I have literally no idea why Transformers as big as Trypticon with Decepticon ideals would listen to Megatron. Any of the city bots would decimate him. Lol.

 

Megatron being in a weakened condition had nothing to do with Shockwave. It was the result of poisoned fuel and a decisive battle with the Autobots.

The fuel the Decepticons used was created by the captured Sparkplug, who had made it so the TF rusted from the inside out. As a result all the Decepticons were damaged by its use. Megatron having used this fuel first and his active role in the battle, caused him to be the most damaged of all the Decepticons. This was stated very clearly in issue #5 by Shockwave when he discussed the state of the Decepticons: all damaged, but Megatron the worst. This damage thus had nothing to do with Shockwave.

However, Megatron was so utterly convinced of his physical strength and superiority, that he attacked Shockwave before his repairs were complete. Screaming in agony when he ripped himself from the repair unit, he was in constant pain, slow to move and slow to react. The earlier damage sustained during the battle with the Autobots had caused all kinds of holes in his body, making him vulnerable to a simple attack with water.

Megatron lost to Shockwave simply because he was too eager to fight. He was severly weakened due to the fuel poisening inside his body with further damage from the earlier battle with the Autobots on the outside of his body.

They are very close. Shockwave is a bit faster, but Megatron has a higher Endurance and Firepower.

I've argued earlier that Megatron experienced two even three near-Death experiences. Four million years ago Optimus caused the Ark to crash, sending them all into stasis. Then it became worse. Due to fuel poisoning Megatron came close to death: Shockwave saved them and repaired them, but else he would've died. Then the fight against Shockwave which again ended with him close to death: Shockwave could've killed him. These two near-death experiences likely caused him a lot of self doubt. As a result, even when fully repaired and at full strength, he didn't stand up to Shockwave.

Then Ratchet happened, or better the Dinobots. Megatron was faced with five powerful Autobots and beat them. With his bare hands -- okay, he shot Swoop. This victory, this reassurance of his physical strength, completely restored his confidence. He would've gone to Shockwave right after, but he fell off a cliff.

Except he didn't. After the first fight in which Megatron lost due to still being damaged and thus weakened, we never get another Megatron-Shockwave fight. A fight was about to break out suggesting both warriors were confident enough, but it didn't happen. When Megatron later became Decepticon commander, Shockwave never challenged him again. Even when Megatron clearly became deranged, he didn't fight him. Instead he played a mindgame. First letting the Predacons attack Megatron and then driving Megatron mentally over the edge. But he didn't fight him.

I think it's also informative that while a battle fatigued Optimus succeeded in easily beating Shockwave (#12), the two Optimus-Megatron fights ended with Optimus either beaten (#4) or collapsing from exhaustion after Megatron left (#2).

 

Prime Predaking

Prime Skyquake

Animated Blackout

 

the problem with these threads is that popular character will always geet overrated


depending on continuities each megatron has a lot of decepticons who can kill him.


but the risk reward of challenging him, the skillset, planing, power, right situation, and loadout makes it always unlikable that and hasbro letting ti happen for their main bad guy.


most brawly guys get a shot on a 1 v1 think motormaster, dreadwings, blackouts, lugnuts but strenght alone isnt all, same with fast strikers that punch above their weight like lockdown froe aoe, prime soundwave that kid of dude but tangoing with megatron means one mistake and you are toast.



the best suited people to take him down are fast big guys that can't get dodged easily and even the slow ones IF they get one hit to conect its game over (metroplex in cybertron and the wfc games for example of big guys ).




also while x character taking down an army for cool points it often ignores the rule that multiple opponents even if way weaker and uncoordinated have a much better chance than individually could, aka soundwave and his minions would go from soundwave being a good fight but not threatning alone and a bunch of ankle biters to each one focusing on megs at different times and just throwing him off everytime he regained composture.



TLDR megs is beatable but unlikely for most decepticons with good firepower, skills or brains but its a major risk for anyone trying it

 

Shockwave was the coffin nailed for all of the Arkbots.

Losing is losing. Stupidity is not an excuse.

They are not close, they are even. Cumulatively their individual tech specs equal the same overall score.

So Shockwave is 1-0 against Megatron

Not gonna argue that. Optimus is the superior machine, as indicated by his technical specifications. Megatron is more experienced fighting Prime one on one though. I'd say Optimus is probably a pretty overwhelming opponent. It would be like stepping in the ring with Ali in his Prime. You can train, watch the tapes, ect you're still not going to be prepared for him the 1st time.

 

Yeah, but Shockwave beat the Dinobots pretty easily too. And he didn't "fall" the ground gave way after Ratchet tried to kill them both(credit where it's due). Technically one could even say Ratchet beat Megatron, but I wouldn't go that far.

I'm not even saying Shockwave would beat Megatron every time under all conditions. The OP question was what Decepticons "could" beat him. Shockwave could and we all know it because he has.

 

In G1 comics, Shockwave for sure. But few others probably could. Maybe Ratbat but he'd have to have some muscle to power his treachery.

In G1 cartoon, when Megatron is concurrent with his peers, no one really. He's top of the apex there...even over Shockwave.

Future continuity Megatrons are generally weaker or less strategic, I think, aside from Animated Megatron and Cyberverse's Megatron X.